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Old 02-02-2012, 01:17 PM
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It's getting close to that time of year again. College and high school ball begin around the end of February and early March. Soon we watch the stock of top prospects rise and fall. Still quite early, but the general opinion of the 2012 draft class is that it's relatively weak overall. The strength leans heavily towards the high school ranks, particularly the bats. The college talent is quite thin, which is unfortunate for teams like the White Sox who all but ignore prep players. (The White Sox didn't draft a high schooler until the 33rd round last year)

With the 2012 draft comes the CBA changes that should level the playing field towards teams that don't spend heavily on the draft overall, or over the recommended slot. (see White Sox) With the new spending cap, there remains many questions. Primarily how it will effect high school players. The ability to take prep players in late rounds while throwing them piles of money is no longer an option. One would believe that early rounds are going to be skewed more towards the prep class, as the risk of not signing increases as the bonuses decrease as the rounds progress. Some think it's going to push more players to attend college, while others think it will remain largely unchanged. Jim Callis summarizes the most important changes, and notes how it could effect teams this summer.


The White Sox gained a supplemental pick this season by offering Mark Buehrle arbitration and him declining it, and eventually signing with Miami. That pick is 48th overall. The White Sox first round pick is 13th overall.

The 2012 draft order looks as such, with only changes to occur when Raul Ibanez and Derrek Lee sign.


First Round:

1. Astros
2. Twins
3. Mariners
4. Orioles
5. Royals
6. Cubs
7. Padres
8. Pirates
9. Marlins
10. Rockies
11. Athletics
12. Mets
13. White Sox
14. Reds
15. Indians
16. Nationals
17. Blue Jays
18. Dodgers
19. Cardinals (from Angels for Albert Pujols, Type A)
20. Giants
21. Braves
22. Blue Jays (for failure to sign 2011 first-rounder Tyler Beede)
23. Cardinals
24. Red Sox
25. Rays
26. Diamondbacks
27. Brewers (from Tigers for Prince Fielder, Type A)
28. Brewers
29. Rangers
30. Yankees
31. Red Sox (from Phillies for Jonathan Papelbon, Type A)


Supplemental First Round:

32. Twins (for Michael Cuddyer, modified Type A, to Rockies)
33. Padres (for Heath Bell, modified Type A, to Marlins)
34. Athletics (for Josh Willingham, modified Type A, to Twins)
35. Mets (for Jose Reyes, Type A, to Marlins)
36. Cardinals (for Pujols)
37. Red Sox (for Papelbon)
38. Brewers (for Fielder)
39. Rangers (for C.J. Wilson, Type A, to Angels)
40. Phillies (for Ryan Madson, modified Type A, to Reds)
41. Astros (for Clint Barmes, Type B, to Pirates)
42. Twins (for Jason Kubel, Type B, to Diamondbacks)
43. Cubs (for Aramis Ramirez, Type B, to Brewers)
44. Padres (for Aaron Harang, Type B, to Dodgers)
45. Pirates (for Ryan Doumit, Type B, to Twins)
46. Rockies (for Mark Ellis, Type B, to Dodgers)
47. Athletics (for David DeJesus, Type B, to Cubs)
48. White Sox (for Mark Buehrle, Type B, to Marlins)
49. Reds (for Ramon Hernandez, Type B, to Rockies)
50. Blue Jays (for Frank Francisco, Type B, to Mets)
51. Dodgers (for Rod Barajas, Type B, to Pirates)
52. Cardinals (for Octavio Dotel, Type B, to Tigers)
53. Rangers (for Darren Oliver, Type B, to Blue Jays)
54. Cubs (for Carlos Pena, Type B, to Rays)
55. Padres (for failure to sign 2011 sandwich-rounder Brett Austin)
56. Reds (for Francisco Cordero, Type B, to Blue Jays)
57. Blue Jays (for Jon Rauch, Type B, to Mets)
58. Blue Jays (for Jose Molina, Type B, to Rays)
Second-Round Changes
60. Athletics (for Willingham)
68. Padres (for Bell)
69. Mets (from Marlins for Reyes)
70. Twins (for Cuddyer)
75. Phillies (for Madson)
81. Rangers (from Angels for Wilson)
89. Yankees (for failure to sign 2011 second-rounder Sam Stafford)


Supplemental Third Round:

124. Mariners (for failure to sign 2011 third-rounder Kevin Cron)
125. Marlins (for failure to sign 2011 third-rounder Connor Barron)
126. Rockies (for failure to sign 2011 third-rounder Peter O'Brien)
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Old 02-02-2012, 01:18 PM
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For those who would like to familiarize themselves with players that are currently considered top draft candidates, here are some very early resources. With how early it is, the stock of said players remain largely in flux as one would imagine.

Early Draft Preview: Baseball America's 2012 Top 100 Draft Prospects

Jonathan Mayo's 2012 Top 50 Draft Prospects (Click "Top 50 Draft" on the menu bar at the top. It defaults to current MLB prospects.)

Preseason College Top 2012 Draft Prospects

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/...raft-prospects (Preseason High School Top 2012 Draft Prospects)

Won't let me alter that last link how I want. Receiving a "/vbulletin/editpost.php?do=updatepost&postid=2885976 You don't have access to this area." error.

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Old 02-03-2012, 08:11 AM
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I saw one mock draft with the Sox picking High School OF David Dahl..... It's very early still, but I really hope they go with a good high upside guy and not **** this one up.
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Old 02-03-2012, 08:34 AM
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Any remote chance that Mike Zunino slips to the White Sox?
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Old 02-03-2012, 10:51 AM
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Any remote chance that Mike Zunino slips to the White Sox?
Remote chance? It's possible. But probably not likely. I'm a big fan of his though.
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Old 02-03-2012, 11:01 AM
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I saw one mock draft with the Sox picking High School OF David Dahl..... It's very early still, but I really hope they go with a good high upside guy and not **** this one up.
Every year I get excited about many high school prospects as 1st round picks to no avail. All signs seem to indicate it's JR that is most averse to anything other than college players.

I'm sure I'll start to get intrigued at high school arms/bats that could be available at 13, but let's keep in mind that the White Sox haven't used their 1st round pick on a prep player since 2001 with Kris Honel. They didn't even draft a high schooler until the 33rd round last year. Maybe the new CBA changes things with the Sox? Who knows? I'm not counting on it though.

Myself, I'm interested in players like Walker Weickel, Stryker Trahan, Max Fried, Lance McCullers, Matt Smoral, and Trey Williams from the high school ranks so far.

The safe bet for a White Sox selection are players like Brian Johnson, Victor Roache, Jake Barret, Marcus Stroman, and Michael Wacha. I really like Gausman and Chris Beck, but I don't think they will be around long enough.
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Old 02-13-2012, 11:33 AM
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Any sense in where the Sox will go in the draft's early rounds as far as pitching and offense is concerned?
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Old 02-13-2012, 12:37 PM
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Any sense in where the Sox will go in the draft's early rounds as far as pitching and offense is concerned?
Way to early to get a read on what the Sox are looking for. Especially since the system needs a bit of everything. One would hope they just go for BPA. Especially since best player available is now more viable for the Sox considering the CBA changes.
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Old 02-17-2012, 01:23 PM
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College ball starts today!

I'll be tuning in to see Stanford/Vandy tonight. Appel faces off against Ziomek. Appel has a very good shot at going number one overall in this year's draft. Ziomek is a 2013 draft candidate, but is a potential top 10 pick in the first round. On Stanford's side Piscotty, Diekroger, Stewart, and Gaffney will be worth watching. Team is stacked. Michael Yastrzemski for Vandy is noteworthy as well.
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Old 02-20-2012, 11:46 AM
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2012 Draft bonus pools have been released.

The White Sox are allotted $5,915,100 for 11 picks in the first 10 rounds. The extra pick is Buehrle compensation.

For reference the White Sox spent $2,126,300 on draft bonuses in the first 10 rounds in 2011, and $2,786,300 total on the draft.

Keep in mind, with the new CBA a team that exceeds its bonus pool by 0 - 5 percent must pay a 75 percent tax on the overage. The penalties increase, with a 75 percent tax and the loss of a first-round pick for a 5 - 10 percent overage. There is a 100 percent tax and the loss of first and second round picks for a 10-15 percent overage. Last is a 100 percent tax and the loss of two first-rounders for an overage of 15 percent or more.

Also quite significant is that If a team fails to sign a player in the first 10 rounds, its draft cap is reduced by the assigned value of his pick.

Can see each team's bonus pool here.
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Old 02-20-2012, 02:51 PM
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2012 Draft bonus pools have been released.

The White Sox are allotted $5,915,100 for 11 picks in the first 10 rounds. The extra pick is Buehrle compensation.

For reference the White Sox spent $2,126,300 on draft bonuses in the first 10 rounds in 2011, and $2,786,300 total on the draft.

Keep in mind, with the new CBA a team that exceeds its bonus pool by 0 - 5 percent must pay a 75 percent tax on the overage. The penalties increase, with a 75 percent tax and the loss of a first-round pick for a 5 - 10 percent overage. There is a 100 percent tax and the loss of first and second round picks for a 10-15 percent overage. Last is a 100 percent tax and the loss of two first-rounders for an overage of 15 percent or more.

Also quite significant is that If a team fails to sign a player in the first 10 rounds, its draft cap is reduced by the assigned value of his pick.

Can see each team's bonus pool here.
Wow, that's an eye opener, even if we only signed 8 players out of the top 10 rounds.

So I wonder what Jerry budgets for this year: Was his cheapness in the draft before more keeping in lockstep with Bud and his slotting system or just plain cheapness...
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Old 02-20-2012, 03:26 PM
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Wow, that's an eye opener, even if we only signed 8 players out of the top 10 rounds.

So I wonder what Jerry budgets for this year: Was his cheapness in the draft before more keeping in lockstep with Bud and his slotting system or just plain cheapness...
Hopefully Jerry budgets what he's allotted. I imagine both factors you mentioned contributed to the menial amount of money spent on the draft.
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Old 02-21-2012, 01:56 AM
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Piliere's initial draft top 100 is up.

http://sbb.scout.com/2/1160365.html
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Old 02-22-2012, 09:32 PM
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First of what will be many players with some draft helium this year.

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Starting to hear some No. 1 pick chatter from scouts about USF's Kyle Zimmer. He was up to 99 on Friday with killer curve, tons of strikes.
He's on my potential Sox draft picks list. Being a power armed college pitcher and all. He won't be around at 13 if he keeps it up. Still a ways to go obviously.
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:04 PM
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First of what will be many players with some draft helium this year.



He's on my potential Sox draft picks list. Being a power armed college pitcher and all. He won't be around at 13 if he keeps it up. Still a ways to go obviously.
More on Zimmer.
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