White Sox Platoon Options (LEFT FIELD is very interesting)

[WhiteSoxNation]

Getting more from a position by utilizing 2 average, low cost players and combining the two into a potential all-star, 10M/year production.


C- Flowers .269/.309/.596 v LHP, Gimenez v. RHP .283/.383/.423

LF- Viciedo- .350/.391/.642 vs LHP, .225/.271/.380 vs RHP

Starting at catcher, it's obvious Flower is the everyday catcher, but he's clearly much stronger against LHP. Gimenez should/may see more playing time than we think this year against RHP.


Viciedo had 43 hits vs LHP w/ 18 of them going for extra base hits. He also K'd just 18 times while walking 9 times as opposed to his 5:1 K/BB against RHP......People will argue that he hit 25HR, understandable. Yet, if we played Dwayne Wise vs all RHP and Viciedo vs all LHP here's the production we would have got from a 3M left field.

Adjusted for 600 ABs (and weighing the fact of more RHP than LHP) aka Wise will get more ABs

.297/.357/.511 33HR, 97RBI, 40 doubles 20SB......

What's the going rate for a .300/30/20/100 LF (see Ryan Braun)
Also gives the Sox an above average defensive LF

[kittle42]

Is this a serious argument for platooning (1) anyone with Dayan Viciedo, and (2) Dewayne ****ing Wise, of all people?

[doublem23]

No spank you

[WhiteSoxNation]

Yah, clear improvement of production should be ignored

[TheVulture]

Originally Posted by WhiteSoxNation

Yah, clear improvement of production should be ignored

You haven't demonstrated any evidence Wise would be able to put up those kind of numbers over 110-120 starts the LH hitting half of the platoon would get. Probably would work on Playstation, though.

[doublem23]

Originally Posted by WhiteSoxNation

Yah, clear improvement of production should be ignored

I hate to break it to you, but the Sox aren't going to win **** this year, so the focus should be on long-term player development. Viciedo's growth as a full-time player should not be stunted so Dewayne ****ing Wise can get on the field a little more.

You're also basing your argument for Dewayne based on 1 year of splits, a career anomaly for a 30+ year old journeyman AAAA player. Here's his career body of work vs. RHP starters:

.255/.283/.412

**** that noise.

[WhiteSoxNation]

Originally Posted by doublem23

I hate to break it to you, but the Sox aren't going to win **** this year, so the focus should be on long-term player development. Viciedo's growth as a full-time player should not be stunted so Dewayne ****ing Wise can get on the field a little more.

You're also basing your argument for Dewayne based on 1 year of splits, a career anomaly for a 30+ year old journeyman AAAA player. Here's his career body of work vs. RHP starters:

.255/.283/.412

**** that noise.

Even using his career #s which you often use 3 most recent years in SABR but ill use your # you are still getting .291/.342/.499 LOL

I can't accept a .300 OB% player let alone 3 of them.....

[SoxNation05]

Originally Posted by WhiteSoxNation

Getting more from a position by utilizing 2 average, low cost players and combining the two into a potential all-star, 10M/year production.


C- Flowers .269/.309/.596 v LHP, Gimenez v. RHP .283/.383/.423

LF- Viciedo- .350/.391/.642 vs LHP, .225/.271/.380 vs RHP

Starting at catcher, it's obvious Flower is the everyday catcher, but he's clearly much stronger against LHP. Gimenez should/may see more playing time than we think this year against RHP.


Viciedo had 43 hits vs LHP w/ 18 of them going for extra base hits. He also K'd just 18 times while walking 9 times as opposed to his 5:1 K/BB against RHP......People will argue that he hit 25HR, understandable. Yet, if we played Dwayne Wise vs all RHP and Viciedo vs all LHP here's the production we would have got from a 3M left field.

Adjusted for 600 ABs (and weighing the fact of more RHP than LHP) aka Wise will get more ABs

.297/.357/.511 33HR, 97RBI, 40 doubles 20SB......

What's the going rate for a .300/30/20/100 LF (see Ryan Braun)
Also gives the Sox an above average defensive LF

I don't know where you are getting those numbers for Gimenez but he is a 30 year old catcher who has played what, 15 games in the Majors? Do you really expect this kind of production? If he were capable of posting a .383 OBP in the Majors wouldn't you think he would be playing consistently by now?

[MISoxfan]

Jim Thome was 23 in 1994. At the end of the season he had 796 PA. That season he hit .167/.247/.298 in 94 PA against LHP. I suppose he should have been put into a platoon for the rest of his career, too?

He hit .275/.380/.422 against them in '95.

[russ99]

Originally Posted by MISoxfan

Jim Thome was 23 in 1994. At the end of the season he had 796 PA. That season he hit .167/.247/.298 in 94 PA against LHP. I suppose he should have been put into a platoon for the rest of his career, too?

He hit .275/.380/.422 against them in '95.

Let's not start this argument again. There's no telling what Viciedo will do this year. As a realist, I'm expecting a slight improvement.

My only real concern is if Hahn is penciling such a flawed and increasingly expensive hitter into the 1B/cleanup spot after Paulie leaves, as that would be a huge step down.

Much more concerned about going into the season with 2 rookie catchers than anything Viciedo does at this stage of his career.

[blandman]

Originally Posted by russ99

Let's not start this argument again. There's no telling what Viciedo will do this year. As a realist, I'm expecting a slight improvement.

My only real concern is if Hahn is penciling such a flawed and increasingly expensive hitter into the 1B/cleanup spot after Paulie leaves, as that would be a huge step down.

Much more concerned about going into the season with 2 rookie catchers than anything Viciedo does at this stage of his career.

As a realist, I'm expecting a player with his approach to show regression.

You can't say "let's not start this argument again" and then say something that you know a lot of people vehemently disagree with.

[TheOldRoman]

Originally Posted by blandman

As a realist, I'm expecting a player with his approach to show regression.

You can't say "let's not start this argument again" and then say something that you know a lot of people vehemently disagree with.

Munch. You are not a realist in any sense of the word. You are a sensationalist at very best. You have a well displayed agenda against the White Sox and really want people to believe that literally everything will go wrong with them. You pushed your agenda to the point of making up quotes to support your "fact" that Danks would miss at least one month, hours after you were proven wrong when you said he hadn't even thrown yet.

And no, even for the people who are not high on Viciedo, there is not "a lot" of people who vehemently disagree with the premise that he will have at least a slight improvement. Calling for a regression for a 23 year old after his first full big league season might be a new low for you.

[MISoxfan]

Originally Posted by russ99

Let's not start this argument again. There's no telling what Viciedo will do this year. As a realist, I'm expecting a slight improvement.

My only real concern is if Hahn is penciling such a flawed and increasingly expensive hitter into the 1B/cleanup spot after Paulie leaves, as that would be a huge step down.

Much more concerned about going into the season with 2 rookie catchers than anything Viciedo does at this stage of his career.

I'm not saying Viciedo is the next Jim Thome. I imagine he will hit righties better next year, but he also won't hit .350/.391/.642 off of lefties again.

[Bobby Thigpen]

This whole thread reminds me of the heady days when people were advocating trading Paulie so they could let Ross Gload or Brian Daubach play first base.

[DSpivack]

Originally Posted by Bobby Thigpen

This whole thread reminds me of the heady days when people were advocating trading Paulie so they could let Ross Gload or Brian Daubach play first base.

GIDPK!