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Getting more from a position by utilizing 2 average, low cost players and combining the two into a potential all-star, 10M/year production.
C- Flowers .269/.309/.596 v LHP, Gimenez v. RHP .283/.383/.423 LF- Viciedo- .350/.391/.642 vs LHP, .225/.271/.380 vs RHP Starting at catcher, it's obvious Flower is the everyday catcher, but he's clearly much stronger against LHP. Gimenez should/may see more playing time than we think this year against RHP. Viciedo had 43 hits vs LHP w/ 18 of them going for extra base hits. He also K'd just 18 times while walking 9 times as opposed to his 5:1 K/BB against RHP......People will argue that he hit 25HR, understandable. Yet, if we played Dwayne Wise vs all RHP and Viciedo vs all LHP here's the production we would have got from a 3M left field. Adjusted for 600 ABs (and weighing the fact of more RHP than LHP) aka Wise will get more ABs .297/.357/.511 33HR, 97RBI, 40 doubles 20SB...... What's the going rate for a .300/30/20/100 LF (see Ryan Braun) Also gives the Sox an above average defensive LF
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Is this a serious argument for platooning (1) anyone with Dayan Viciedo, and (2) Dewayne ****ing Wise, of all people?
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Yah, clear improvement of production should be ignored
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You haven't demonstrated any evidence Wise would be able to put up those kind of numbers over 110-120 starts the LH hitting half of the platoon would get. Probably would work on Playstation, though.
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I hate to break it to you, but the Sox aren't going to win **** this year, so the focus should be on long-term player development. Viciedo's growth as a full-time player should not be stunted so Dewayne ****ing Wise can get on the field a little more.
You're also basing your argument for Dewayne based on 1 year of splits, a career anomaly for a 30+ year old journeyman AAAA player. Here's his career body of work vs. RHP starters: .255/.283/.412 **** that noise. |
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I can't accept a .300 OB% player let alone 3 of them..... |
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Jim Thome was 23 in 1994. At the end of the season he had 796 PA. That season he hit .167/.247/.298 in 94 PA against LHP. I suppose he should have been put into a platoon for the rest of his career, too?
He hit .275/.380/.422 against them in '95. |
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My only real concern is if Hahn is penciling such a flawed and increasingly expensive hitter into the 1B/cleanup spot after Paulie leaves, as that would be a huge step down. Much more concerned about going into the season with 2 rookie catchers than anything Viciedo does at this stage of his career. |
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![]() You can't say "let's not start this argument again" and then say something that you know a lot of people vehemently disagree with. ![]() |
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And no, even for the people who are not high on Viciedo, there is not "a lot" of people who vehemently disagree with the premise that he will have at least a slight improvement. Calling for a regression for a 23 year old after his first full big league season might be a new low for you.
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This whole thread reminds me of the heady days when people were advocating trading Paulie so they could let Ross Gload or Brian Daubach play first base.
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