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Old 02-22-2010, 12:23 AM
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If you can't develop talent why would you overpay to get it?
What talent are you referring to? Of the three guys he mentioned, none of them had talent.

EDIT: Broadway could beat chicks up. That's talent.
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Old 02-22-2010, 12:26 AM
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Can someone explain what "slot over paying" is? Or whatever the correct term is?
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Old 02-22-2010, 01:02 AM
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Can someone explain what "slot over paying" is? Or whatever the correct term is?

MLB has recommendations for what players who are drafted should be paid. But they can't enforce them. Some teams, Boston, NY, CHC and Detroit more than most, are willing to draft guys in later rounds and pay them like higher picks. They get 1st round talent in later rounds and pay them like first rounders.
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Old 02-22-2010, 01:30 AM
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MLB has recommendations for what players who are drafted should be paid. But they can't enforce them. Some teams, Boston, NY, CHC and Detroit more than most, are willing to draft guys in later rounds and pay them like higher picks. They get 1st round talent in later rounds and pay them like first rounders.
Good breakdown.

An example that is seen is Rick Porcello. Boras Client, was known to be a tough sign. He didn't go in the top 10 as projected. You would think that would mean he would go 11-12-13. But Boras told teams if you want him, you pay him like a top 10 pick.

So then you have a team like Detroit towards the bottom of round 1. They see players who are far lesser talents and will sign for the chance to play. They also see this kid who has the talent of one of the top 10 players in the draft but it will cost them a ton of money. It isn't like the NFL where players who fall tend to be forced to take less money.

Basically going over slot lets teams in the bottom of the draft draft like they are in the top 10.
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Old 02-22-2010, 01:34 AM
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Good breakdown.

An example that is seen is Rick Porcello. Boras Client, was known to be a tough sign. He didn't go in the top 10 as projected. You would think that would mean he would go 11-12-13. But Boras told teams if you want him, you pay him like a top 10 pick.

So then you have a team like Detroit towards the bottom of round 1. They see players who are far lesser talents and will sign for the chance to play. They also see this kid who has the talent of one of the top 10 players in the draft but it will cost them a ton of money. It isn't like the NFL where players who fall tend to be forced to take less money.

Basically going over slot lets teams in the bottom of the draft draft like they are in the top 10.
He still went in the first round. The Yanks sign guys in the 5th - 10th rounds for 750K+ and more quite frequently. Porcello was a first round talent who went in the first round and negotiated for himself more than slot. But the real problem is when the rich few get 1st/2nd round talent in the 5th-10th rounds.

This is a pretty good (although old) summary of the topic.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/ar...articleid=6545


I don't have much a problem paying a 1st rounder big money. Porcello is a good example. (I wouldn't want my team to pay that much for a HS pitcher - but I understand why a team would But it bothers me when teams sign a guy in the mid rounds and pay him like a first rounder. Jeff Samardszia is an example - drafted in the 5th round, but given a deal with a signing bonus that, according to Cot's (http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/200...768677294.html) amounts to 7.25m if he doesn't play football.
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Old 02-23-2010, 11:03 AM
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I'm not a big fan of the slot system. If the top talent knows it can slide in the draft and still be paid like a top pick, then some teams who need the high draft picks are going to be in a tough position. If the best players aren't going to the worst teams (the teams who need them), then what is the point of the draft?
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