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Old 09-16-2010, 11:53 AM
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Viciedo certainly has some value. I don't think he's some super stud blue chip can't miss prospect, but he's shown that he might be a decent hitter with some nice pop, albeit one with little plate discipline and little defensive value.

Washington wanted him for Dunn (which I gladly would have obliged), and not much has really changed since then. I'm very down on the kid, but I think the statement that he has zero value is absurd.
Eh, I just don't see anyone wanting him at this point. He's been found out to be a guy who will swing at anything that isn't thrown directly at his head. There's absolutely no reason to throw a single pitch within an area code of the plate against Viciedo any more. He gets himself out due to his indiscipline.

Washington may have wanted him back in July, but many Viciedo AB have passed, without him bothering to walk to a sufficient degree. In the intervening time, Viciedo's value has been in free fall since then.


So sure, Viciedo has "some" value above zero because of his batspeed and power. But what will he return at this point, since he's neither a "plus" hit for average player, nor a "plus" batting eye, nor a "plus" runner, nor a "plus" fielder?

His two strengths, throwing and hit for power aren't enough to get him to the bigs/keep him there. So why bother trading Viciedo if nothing can be gotten in return?


He's Cuban Rob Deer right now. If he can learn any kind of strike zone awareness, he might have some value, or even a good White Sox player someday. At least he's young, so there is still hope.
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Old 09-16-2010, 12:07 PM
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He's Cuban Rob Deer right now.
¡Roberto Ciervos!
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Old 11-22-2010, 05:04 PM
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Eh, I just don't see anyone wanting him at this point. He's been found out to be a guy who will swing at anything that isn't thrown directly at his head. There's absolutely no reason to throw a single pitch within an area code of the plate against Viciedo any more. He gets himself out due to his indiscipline.

Washington may have wanted him back in July, but many Viciedo AB have passed, without him bothering to walk to a sufficient degree. In the intervening time, Viciedo's value has been in free fall since then.


So sure, Viciedo has "some" value above zero because of his batspeed and power. But what will he return at this point, since he's neither a "plus" hit for average player, nor a "plus" batting eye, nor a "plus" runner, nor a "plus" fielder?

His two strengths, throwing and hit for power aren't enough to get him to the bigs/keep him there. So why bother trading Viciedo if nothing can be gotten in return?


He's Cuban Rob Deer right now. If he can learn any kind of strike zone awareness, he might have some value, or even a good White Sox player someday. At least he's young, so there is still hope.
I think you're being a bit harsh, for a 21 year old kid, his MLB stat line over 100AB's was much better than most prospects his age could produce, and his AAA line wasn't bad by any stretch. He certainly needs to learn to how to be patient, and time will tell if he will ever develop that skill...nevertheless, I'm sure Kenny could get a solid prospect for him...one with the potential to start in the big leagues at the very least.

Again, time will tell, but if DV improves his game in 2011-2013, the Sox will have a VERY nice 24 year old power-hitter on the club...2011 will be telling, hopefully we see significant improvement.
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Old 11-22-2010, 06:57 PM
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Viciedo has only been in pro baseball for 2 years. His pitch recognition will hopefully get better. The second time he was called up, he didn't swing and miss at the high fastball, the same way he did earlier. I would prefer that he spend more time in AAA next year, depending on what happens with Konerko and others.
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