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I'm pretty sure they're blacked out in the local team's market
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Yep, and unless it's changed since last year, Extra Innings doesn't give you a choice of feeds; you get the home team feed if available. You have to do MLB.tv Premium to have your choice of feeds, and they also black out the local market. When the Sox play the Twins, I have to watch the regular Twins coverage; my MLB.tv is blacked out.
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Hawk has turned into a caricature. He is all shtick. Does he ever call a single play without the "can of corn", "we got a man there", "stretch" or "hang wiffem"? The addition of "It's all goood" to the cliche repertoire was the last straw. All repetition, all the time.
I wasn't prepared to like Stone, but found that I do like his insight, especially about pitching. Homerism doesn't matter either way to me. Intelligent commentary does. |
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All these make me cringe...
Dreaded lead off walk. What new? Don't stop now boys. Your what hurts? Where was that pitch? He may not be the best, but there's no one better.
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Don't forget STRETCH!
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Harry and Jimmy managed to make White Sox broadcasts fun and entertaining even when the Sox were playing terrible baseball.
Hawk makes bad baseball unbearable. |
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While any play-by-play announcer is going to slant toward his team of employment, you act as if there are no degrees of "homerism". You would never have heard tirades out of these guys the way you do with Ken Harrelson. Sure they got excited when the Cubs/White Sox, Pirates or Cardinals/Browns/A's/White Sox/Cubs hit a 3-run homer to win a game, but you would never hear these guys incorporating themselves into the game ala Ken Harrelson. I don't think anybody can truly argue that Harrelson isn't the furthest degree of homerism anybody's ever seen out of a play-by-play announcer, but this is only my second biggest problem with Harrelson. First and foremost, I don't think Ken Harrelson promotes the White Sox brand as much as he promotes the Ken Harrelson brand. Beat the Hawk (NBC local) and The Hawk Wants You! (White Sox Schedule) are just of couple of examples of what I'm talking about. This guy realized in the 1960's that "The Hawk" brand was a potential money maker for him, and he's gone down that road ever since (I'll do all the favor of not bringing up the Nehru Jackets or the Cowboy Attire). The problem now is the "Hawk" branding is obsolete at best, or beaten into the ground at worst. He just doesn't look good driving around in a mauve dune buggy anymore, and it all seemed so contrived to begin with. He pretty much admits this in his book from the 1960's. Just my opinion. |
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Great exchange between Hawk and Stone in the 3rd inning:
![]() "Ask any GM, it's all about money now." ![]() "I'll ask the Tampa Bay Rays." ![]() "Well, that's only because they have the best manager in baseball today." ![]() "I think it has something to do with all of that homegrown starting pitching." ![]() "Well, how many years did they have to finish in last place to get that?" |
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![]() Ouch how awkward. There was a moment where Hawk was rambling off all the good things abot our rookie pitching staff for about 2 minutes and Stone totally ingored him and countered about only two balls hit into the OF all game vs Santiago . I think this marriage is over for sure. |
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The thing is though both men make valid points in the exchange.
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When the final out is called Wednesday, the Stone-Hawk partnership will be ovah.
They started out working pretty well together this season, but then for some reason things went downhill. It was obvious that at some point Stone complained to someone about Hawk calling him "Stone Pony" because both stopped using nicknames. I'm sure that aggravated the relationship as far as Hawk was concerned. Then in the second half of the season I heard Stone twice disagree with Hawk by name during his Score appearances. Both times came when the team was on the road so Hawk had no chance of hearing it, but I'm sure that got back to Hawk. I'm all for Stone leaving. His analysis has always been overrated in this town. Sure, compared to the clowns on the Score, Stone makes a lot of great points. But far too often he's a master of the obvious. Most of the ex-players on the MLB Network are far more insightful than Stone Pony. One thing I think most people can agree on about Hawk is the guy is genuine. I don't think the same can be said of Stone. Stone has often been an ass toward fans. I saw it firsthand at Soxfest. Then he tries to follow Hawk's lead on broadcasts regarding a fondness for fans and it's incredibly hollow. Brian's right, too, about Stone never selling the product. He has no real enthusiam about the team and organization. It's been pretty obvious down the stretch that Stone knows he's not coming back. He's been giving Hawk some of his own medicine whether trying to get the last word in on a subject or making comments that have nothing to do with what Hawk said. I'm tired of Hawk's negativity. There's no reason for the broadcasts to be filled with such tension. He's losing his marbles. This is the year he started to making bad mistakes on a regular basis due to age. And of course we all know that he lets his emotions get the best of him. I'm afraid that he's doing to have a Woody Hayes moment. I still like Hawk a lot, but it's time for him to retire for everyone's sake including his own. I also like Farmer, but I'm tired of his "clever" sidetracking commentary. It's not Jackson's fault. He simply tries to roll with Farmer. The star of the radio broadcast should be the game, not constant D-list humor. Yeah, if the game is a laugher one way or the other then it's okay to get goofy, but Farmer doesn't ever stop with his quirky nonsense. I want to hear about what's happening on the field in the late innings of a close game not some bad, comedic exchanges. Plus I'm more than tired of jokes about Farmer's hits and Jackson's pitching appearance. It was funny the first 100 times, but now it's really stale. It's time to clean house and present top-notch broadcasts on radio and TV that are worthy of a major market. I was listening to Pat Hughes the other day and it struck me as a revelation. As horrible as the Cubs are, Hughes conveyed a great deal of excitement, enthusiasm and description about the game. We could use a lot more of all those things in both booths. |
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Maybe John McDonough will come to work here and do what he did for the Hawks and Cubs, which is to say, he fell into a situation where he couldn't fail and managed to not fail. The only anybody who might sell some tickets and punch up the broadcasts is Willsy and he ain't coming back. I wish he would.
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No one said being a Sox fan was going to be easy.
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