Look At Cubs Rebuilding Efforts...

[CoopaLoop]

Originally Posted by doublem23

I think you effectively did when you note that the only thing that went wrong for Theo and his Cubbies was the Dempster deal. They made an awful lot of mistakes this year, and the team is, at least for the time being, worse off because of them.

How is the team worse off because of them?

[DumpJerry]

Originally Posted by CoopaLoop

How is the team worse off because of them?

They lost out on a top-flight prospect from Atlanta when Dempster said no. The return from Texas is not as good.

[russ99]

IMO, the Cubs rebuild doesn't actually start until they dump Soriano's, Garza's and Marmol's big contracts.

Despite the worse record this year, I'd bet the Astros beat the Cubs back to the playoffs, even with being moved to the more difficult AL West.

[kittle42]

The Cubs getting screwed by 10/5 rights from Lee, Ramirez, Dempster, and Soriano in recent years has been very amusing.

[SoxSpeed22]

Originally Posted by russ99

IMO, the Cubs rebuild doesn't actually start until they dump Soriano's, Garza's and Marmol's big contracts.

Despite the worse record this year, I'd bet the Astros beat the Cubs back to the playoffs, even with being moved to the more difficult AL West.

Let's not go nuts here. Both of them are eons away with the way it's going. This year's Astros team might be in the conversation when you talk about the worst teams of all time. Both of them are going to have fairly high picks for the next few years, so they need to get some very good talent with those picks. And yes, the 10/5 players the Cubs had ended up hurting their rebuild by being a bit too loyal to the team.
I found the Cubs approach to building their team very odd. They traded several players and got a bunch of AAAA guys. They will really need to step up to bring better talent in.

[CoopaLoop]

Originally Posted by DumpJerry

They lost out on a top-flight prospect from Atlanta when Dempster said no. The return from Texas is not as good.

They got a top flight prospect from Atlanta for Paul freaking Maholm.

[doublem23]

Originally Posted by CoopaLoop

How is the team worse off because of them?

I would have assumed the 10-win decline in 1 season would have been pretty self-explanatory.

[DumpJerry]

Originally Posted by CoopaLoop

They got a top flight prospect from Atlanta for Paul freaking Maholm.

Technically, Maholm was sent to the Braves by the Cubs.

The Cub fan in my office was depressed when they got him. He said he was a Cub killer would continue to be so now that he was on the Cubs. For his first several starts with the Cubs, he lived up to that expectation.

[DSpivack]

Originally Posted by DumpJerry

Technically, Maholm was sent to the Braves by the Cubs.

The Cub fan in my office was depressed when they got him. He said he was a Cub killer would continue to be so now that he was on the Cubs. For his first several starts with the Cubs, he lived up to that expectation.

Surely this move will put the Cubs over the top?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...,2950323.story

[DrCrawdad]

Originally Posted by DSpivack

Surely this move will put the Cubs over the top?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...,2950323.story

Another move that further illustrates the genius that is Theo Epstein.

[DumpJerry]

Originally Posted by DSpivack

Surely this move will put the Cubs over the top?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...,2950323.story

Good thing they identified the root cause of their road losses over the past 20 years.

[StillMissOzzie]

Did he book them at the Ramada?

[CoopaLoop]

Originally Posted by doublem23

I would have assumed the 10-win decline in 1 season would have been pretty self-explanatory.

lol gtfo

[SOXSINCE'70]

Originally Posted by StillMissOzzie

Did he book them at the Ramada?

No, he booked them at Holiday Inn Express!

[SI1020]

Originally Posted by CoopaLoop

lol gtfo

The facts are the great Theo came in, they took a couple of steps backward and don't seem to have helped themselves all that much in the process.