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Old 10-23-2012, 03:56 PM
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Congrats to Adam, but to win this award shouldn't you really have to come back from something beyond simply having sucked the previous year!?!
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Old 10-23-2012, 04:09 PM
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Nothing against Dunn, but Rios had a better year. I don't get Dunn over Rios in this regard; they had about equally horrendous seasons last year.
No question Rios had a far better 2012 than Dunn. But Dunn's 2011 was about as terrible a season a player can have. He "came back" from beyond bad.
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Old 10-23-2012, 04:12 PM
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No question Rios had a far better 2012 than Dunn. But Dunn's 2011 was about as terrible a season a player can have. He "came back" from beyond bad.
Rios' 2011 was about as bad as Dunn's.
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Old 10-23-2012, 04:39 PM
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The season Dunn came back from was one in which he was adjusting to a new league and to a mainly DHing - perhaps this made the difference in voters minds. Rios was just bad in 2011 but did have the better 2012 of the two.
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Old 10-23-2012, 05:53 PM
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...,3065991.story

Dunn also comments on Detroit being in the series.

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Old 10-23-2012, 07:35 PM
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...,3065991.story

Dunn also comments on Detroit being in the series.

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I don't see any comments about Detriot in that link.
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Old 10-23-2012, 07:57 PM
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Story must have been 'updated' removing his comments. He said when asked about Detroit playing in the series that it "was like salt into an open wound..."

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Old 10-24-2012, 09:04 AM
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There are two types of "comeback players". There is the guy who was injured and put of poor numbers and the gets healthy and really produces..... like Peavy.

Then there is the guy who has a lousy year and then follows it up w a much better year..............Rios or Dunn or Rodney.


To the guys in the 2nd category. Congrats this year for improving on a really lousy year last year. Seems kind of a backward compliment.
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Old 10-24-2012, 09:07 AM
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There are two types of "comeback players". There is the guy who was injured and put of poor numbers and the gets healthy and really produces..... like Peavy.

Then there is the guy who has a lousy year and then follows it up w a much better year..............Rios or Dunn or Rodney.


To the guys in the 2nd category. Congrats this year for improving on a really lousy year last year. Seems kind of a backward compliment.
It isn't. The vast majority of pro athletes have at least one "off year," even if it is not quite as bad as Dunn's or Rios' last season.
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Old 10-24-2012, 11:18 AM
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In 2011, Rios couldn't hit Dunn's weight, but Dunn couldn't even hit Rios' weight.
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Old 10-24-2012, 11:46 AM
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Rios' 2011 was about as bad as Dunn's.
I disagree. Alex Rios certainly had an awful season in 2011. I won't dispute that. However, Adam Dunn's 2011 was historically bad. Dunn and Alex had similar power numbers that year but Adam struck out about 3 times more than Rios, had half as many hits, hit 70 points lower (40 points below the Mendoza line), and managed a pathetic 6 hits against left handed pitchers. Also, Dunn took a lot more mental punishment in 2011. He was the big signing in the offseason and he took the brunt of the heat from the fans and endured the questions from the media. Rios got some boos for sure but nothing on the level of scrutiny that was put on Dunn. To come back from that far down in the dumps to have the season he had in 2012 made him worthy of the comeback award in my opinion. Take a look at the comparison between Dunn and Rios 2011:

Dunn 2011:
.159 avg (!!)
11 HR
42 RBI
177 Ks
66 Hits (only 6 against LHP!)
.569 OPS

Rios 2011:
.227 avg
13 HR
44 RBI
68 Ks
122 Hits
.613 OPS
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Old 10-24-2012, 11:55 AM
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I disagree. Alex Rios certainly had an awful season in 2011. I won't dispute that. However, Adam Dunn's 2011 was historically bad. Dunn and Alex had similar power numbers that year but Adam struck out about 3 times more than Rios, had half as many hits, hit 70 points lower (40 points below the Mendoza line), and managed a pathetic 6 hits against left handed pitchers. Also, Dunn took a lot more mental punishment in 2011. He was the big signing in the offseason and he took the brunt of the heat from the fans and endured the questions from the media. Rios got some boos for sure but nothing on the level of scrutiny that was put on Dunn. To come back from that far down in the dumps to have the season he had in 2012 made him worthy of the comeback award in my opinion. Take a look at the comparison between Dunn and Rios 2011:

Dunn 2011:
.159 avg (!!)
11 HR
42 RBI
177 Ks
66 Hits (only 6 against LHP!)
.569 OPS

Rios 2011:
.227 avg
13 HR
44 RBI
68 Ks
122 Hits
.613 OPS
But the fact remains that Dunn is still a one-tool player. Rios was the team MVP this year. He may have started from a higher spot, but he finished higher too, overall. Dunn had a miserable second half, while Rios continued to excel.
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