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Old 11-20-2012, 06:36 AM
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Seems like if WAR is actually measuring relative value of a player to a replacement specifically at his position, the relative value would have to be based on the average or median of production at that position, and therefore the net sum of all WARs would be zero or close to it.
The "replacement level player" isn't the average player at his position, since the assumption is that a team doesn't have a league average player just sitting waiting on the bench or in AAA. An average player, of course, is actually quite valuable--he's better than half the league. For that reason, "replacement level" is kind of a fringe bench/AAAA player.
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Old 11-20-2012, 02:02 PM
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Sorry, I actually wanted to finish my comment and got called into a meeting at work. I wish work would get its priorities straight haha.

Anyway, I played first base through college, and I do agree its a more reactionary position. However, range is huge to that reaction. In the MLB most 1b play at the back of the dirt. The ability to get 2 more steps than a less mobile 1b is often the difference between a double and an out. Furthermore, more agility means more balls get caught when diving. A good example that should be fresh is Derek Lee. He could pick it as good as anyone, but he also could get up and catch a high throw (PK doesn't do that well) and also sucked up anything in his vicinity. PK can stab anything hit directly at him, but Range for a 1b is a very important step or 2 to the right and left, and PK does not do that well.

I would still call that reaction and not range (a quick step or 2). True guys like Teixeira would be better than Paulie with that. However how many times in a year was a double down (that anyone would have a chance at) the line really been a problem? Konerko not only saved many a run with his picks at first, but was great at feeding the pitcher on tough 3-1 put-outs, and maybe the best at turning the 3-6-3 or 1 dp of any right hand throwing 1b.

That being said, DH may be in Paulie's near future.
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Old 11-21-2012, 02:17 AM
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They're a work in progress. Anything is an improvement over errors/fielding percentage.
They're not a work in progress, they're total crap. Why does defense need a number? Why does "range" need a number? I love baseball stats as much as the next guy, but the direction saber and "statheads" have gone is just insanity. I'm all for modern technology moving us forward, but there are times when it's overkill and not needed.
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Old 11-24-2012, 05:09 PM
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The "replacement level player" isn't the average player at his position, since the assumption is that a team doesn't have a league average player just sitting waiting on the bench or in AAA. An average player, of course, is actually quite valuable--he's better than half the league. For that reason, "replacement level" is kind of a fringe bench/AAAA player.
I just don't believe that replacing Konerko with an average fielding player who hits like Eric Hosmer will only cost the Sox 1.4 wins.

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