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Old 11-25-2012, 07:13 PM
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3rd base tends to be a power position. Why would you move Beckham there when he is struggling offensively now. I think finding a 2nd baseman with some power would be harder than finding a 3rd baseman.
Because the Sox have few options at 3B and there are usually many more options for 2B in the market.
If you figure Beckham can play either 2nd or 3rd, which he can, then you go out and find the best 2B or 3B that you can find.
Yes, the best 3B usually hit better than the best 2B, but those guys are rare and the Sox haven't had one since, well, Melton for a couple of years?
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:24 PM
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Ventura and Crede both put up some good numbers---I dont remember who played 2b during the Ventura years (Durham)?--but Crede and Iguchi were about the same with the bat
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:47 PM
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Ventura and Crede both put up some good numbers---I dont remember who played 2b during the Ventura years
(Durham)?
Fletcher, Sax, Cora and then Durham.

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--but Crede and Iguchi were about the same with the bat
Iguchi was much better at handling the bat and making contact, laying down a bunt, situational hitting, knocking the ball to the right side. Really, he's the best #2 hitter the Sox have had in the past two decades, even though it only last a couple of years. Crede had more power, but made contact less.
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:56 PM
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Beckham will never be a Schmidt, A-Rod or even a Ventura, but if he ever gets rid of the hitch in his swing, he might be able to peak at the power of Joe Crede and thus be serviceable at the hot corner. That's not the worst thing in the world if the Sox can develop Sanchez into the switch-hitting, high contact, .280+ from both sides of the plate, speedy middle infielder who can hit second for the next decade.
Is everyone allowed more than four full years to get past "if and might?"

That halo's getting duller and duller. A kid's going to come along and he'll be benched and/or traded. Sanchez may be that kid.
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Old 11-26-2012, 06:12 AM
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Is everyone allowed more than four full years to get past "if and might?"

That halo's getting duller and duller. A kid's going to come along and he'll be benched and/or traded. Sanchez may be that kid.
It took Crede a while to shorten his swing, but in that case patience was rewarded.
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:28 AM
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Yes, the best 3B usually hit better than the best 2B, but those guys are rare and the Sox haven't had one since, well, Melton for a couple of years?
I agree with you if they find a 2nd baseman w some pop. My point is you cannot get another .230 hitter for 2nd and move Beckham.
Some of the better AL teams like NY, Boston, Texas, Detroit and probably now Baltimore all seem to have acquired or developed power at 3rd.
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:06 AM
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Viciedo is a good LF/RF

Beckham was actually a better 3B than he was 2B.

If Beckham can play great 3B, Hit .270/15/70 that's fine for me at 3B.

LF- Viciedo
SS- Ramirez
1B- Konerko
DH- Dunn
2B/3B- Beckham
2B/3B- Sanchez
CF- DeAza
I'll take into next year......move rios, get a catcher. Napoli would be nice.
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:17 AM
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Not to sound too "MoneyBall"

But the Sox simply don't get on base.....

.318 OB% TEAM

Our SS/2B combined for a .249/.290/.366

Once again I'm excited about our arms coming back though. I would attempt to move Floyd but the 9.5M is considered a deal in todays market.

Holes: C, 3B, 2B, (soon to be 1B/DH) if Paulie calls it quits soon.

I like Napoli to be in a Sox uni/ he can catch, DH, 1B.....Wouldn't pay more than 10M for him, he rarely plays more than 115-130 games
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:38 AM
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Not to sound too "MoneyBall"

I like Napoli to be in a Sox uni/ he can catch, DH, 1B.....Wouldn't pay more than 10M for him, he rarely plays more than 115-130 games
Probably going to Boston to play 1B
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Old 11-26-2012, 12:36 PM
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Not to sound too "MoneyBall"

But the Sox simply don't get on base.....

.318 OB% TEAM

Our SS/2B combined for a .249/.290/.366
It would help the team immensely to have people on base when Dunn, PK and DV hit their homers.
But the Sox don't have an obp philosophy. Guillen preferred runner on 3rd, 1 out to runner on 2nd no out; and I"m not convinced this organization disagreed with him.
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:16 PM
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It would help the team immensely to have people on base when Dunn, PK and DV hit their homers.
But the Sox don't have an obp philosophy. Guillen preferred runner on 3rd, 1 out to runner on 2nd no out; and I"m not convinced this organization disagreed with him.
Meaning that he preferred to bunt? I think Robin kind of took the opposite approach this year and bunted less...whatever the stance though if you don't hit with RISP then it doesn't matter anyway.
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:29 PM
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It would help the team immensely to have people on base when Dunn, PK and DV hit their homers.
The Sox last year hit one of the lowest percentages of solo HR in the AL.
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:59 PM
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The Sox last year hit one of the lowest percentages of solo HR in the AL.
A good first half by our bats skewed a lot of hitting numbers, look at RISP too.

And as they say, it's not how you start, it's how you finish. Most people doing projections weigh second half numbers as an indicator as to how the player will do the following season.
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:03 PM
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The Sox last year hit one of the lowest percentages of solo HR in the AL.
De Aza, Dunn and YOuk, our first 3, got on base a lot. I hope we can repeat that level of OBP we got from our top 3 - and preferably without Dunn, a 4/5 hitter, being one of them.
Youk slowed down, De Aza was injured and benched some, and then came the cave-in.
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Old 11-26-2012, 06:56 PM
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Ventura and Crede both put up some good numbers---I dont remember who played 2b during the Ventura years (Durham)?--but Crede and Iguchi were about the same with the bat
Joey Cora played 2B most of Ventura's career here,IIRC.
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