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Sale does not get his Velocity from his "funky" delivery. He is 6'6. Lincecum is 5'11, which is why he gets his velo from the delivery. Sale also has GREAT offspeed stuff. Freddy Garcia has nothing to do with Chris Sale either. Sale is a tall, long lefty. You are correct that he will he choose to work consistently in the mid to low 90s, but that is what all pitchers do who throw hard. Dial it up as needed. Sale had a couple games last year with a fatigued arm he was sitting about 88-91, which is common for young SP who have not been stretched out to 200 IP before. Sale is a once a decade talent, the Sox need to not screw around and just lock him up.
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As far as anyone knows, Sale does not have a history of major injuries with his delivery which I'm pretty sure he has had for many years now.
But the WSI medical staff knows better........
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Yes he is a rare talent. So was Jon Rauch, who won Olympic gold medal and stood even taller. Then promptly blew out his arm. Then came back to have a respectable career out of bullpen, going on like a decade. Management does have a tough decision coming up but likely will wait a year for sake of prudence. PS most of those under-powered games you mention were games Sale gave up a bunch of runs. Freddie Garcia won 17 games a few years back with "that" kind of stuff. Plus some filthy junk. |
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You're looking for a guy with a similar body frame and similar mechanics, you won't find a better example. And we all know what happened to Blackjack.
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There has never bee never been a question of Sale's ability but he will continue to be hounded about his durability for at least a few more seasons. Quote:
![]() That's not the Inverted W and, as far as I am aware, the current consensus is that mechanics are far more important than frame in determining the likelihood of injury. And really, at any rate, McDowell was an OUTSTANDING pitcher through his 20's, and even was an AL-average innings eater through his mid-30's (I know his raw numbers are a bit inflated, but those were the height of the Steroid Era/Juiced Ball offensive explosion, he never posted an ERA+ under 90 until his final season when he threw a grand total of 19 innings over 4 starts). The only reason his career ended at 33 was due to a botched surgery. This is still a guy who earned 25.1 WAR for pitchers over his career (a hair outside the Top 300 P of all-time), won a Cy Young Award, pitched in 3 All-Star Games. If that's the career course Sale will be on, that's not exactly something to sneeze at. Sale is going to turn 24 years old just before the 2013 season starts. He hits arbitration for the first time next off-season and can become a free agent after the 2016 season, when he will be 27 years old. If the Sox could find a way to buy out some arb years and maybe lock him up for an extra year or two, I'd be willing to do that. But you also got to remember that Sale took a bit under what he was asking for after the Sox drafted him based on the promise that they would fast track him to the Majors and start his arb clock as soon as possible. You got to wonder how much more charity he's willing to give.
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You're right that that career trajectory is not something to sneeze at. But I don't think it's a case for locking him up long term for big money either. I think it's a case to get as much as you can out of him in your window (which still has three more seasons where his production out-weighs the contract) and then cut him loose. Because odds are he isn't going to live up to the dollars an extension would cost. He's going to win a Cy Young in the next three years. |
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From my admittedly limited understanding of pitching mechanics, a more apt comparison is to:
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I would also consider it because the Sox so frequently have to combat the perception they are "cheap." Not great PR to cut a guy with this kind of talent over dollars and cents. But again, it would have to be for the right price. I'm certainly not interested in paying Sale #1 SP market rate for 6+ seasons. That would probably be a bad investment. |
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By the time Randy made the majors, he was sitting at around 230 pounds. I know Randy's taller, but 50 pounds is 50 pounds. Randy really wasn't rail thin. He was when he was drafted, but worked really hard to build a ton of muscle after he was drafted.
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I'm not talking the Sox offer him **** and then tack an extra year of guaranteed **** on and hope he signs. But maybe make him a reasonable offer that basically sets him for life with money is something they'd consider. It's a gamble for the Sox, but for Sale and his people, it's just as big a risk to hope he lasts injury free for another 4 years, right? |
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As far as arm injuries goes I think his weight is irrelevant. It's just the muscles leading up to the elbow and shoulder ligaments that you really have to strengthen and care for just like the joints themselves.
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Maybe I read what you posted wrong, but from my limited understanding of anatomy, you can't really "strengthen" ligaments.
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