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Old 12-21-2012, 04:34 PM
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So does Chris Sale.
And Jack McDowell.
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Old 12-21-2012, 05:28 PM
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And Mark Buehrle.
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Old 12-21-2012, 06:37 PM
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Esteban Loaiza begs to differ.
I feel like a dumb ass, I was actually thinking of Loaiza.
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Old 12-21-2012, 08:05 PM
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And Jose Contreras?
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I'm not counting this homerun or his 3 RBI from today's game because of the game situation. I'm not counting his pinch hit solo homerun in a blowout win in Colorado. In my book, Crede has 2 less home runs than his statistics show, 4 less RBI, and one less walk (the one where he pinch hit for Uribe after coming in with a 3-0 count and taking one pitch).
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Old 12-22-2012, 10:05 AM
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And Jose Contreras?
Best 2nd half and postseason...yes.
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Old 12-22-2012, 01:31 PM
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And Mark Buehrle.

And Dewayne Wise.
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Old 12-22-2012, 11:05 PM
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While we're on it, Jon Garland can throw his hat in that ring, too. That '05 rotation was silly.
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Old 01-13-2013, 01:28 PM
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It's the main reason they won the Series that year, the next being the shutdown, lights out bullpen.
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Old 01-14-2013, 04:14 PM
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It's the main reason they won the Series that year, the next being the shutdown, lights out bullpen.
I disagree on that.

They used 3 closers that year and Cotts + Polite were the only reliable arms night in and night out.

Those 3 closers all had shaky moments throughout the year. Shingo was bad. Hermanson had a bad back. Jenks was a rookie who actually blew a save in the WS.

All the credit to me goes on that starting staff. They carried that team to a Championship.
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Old 01-14-2013, 04:50 PM
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I disagree on that.

They used 3 closers that year and Cotts + Polite were the only reliable arms night in and night out.

Those 3 closers all had shaky moments throughout the year. Shingo was bad. Hermanson had a bad back. Jenks was a rookie who actually blew a save in the WS.

All the credit to me goes on that starting staff. They carried that team to a Championship.
JoeYoung is correct about the bullpen. It was an outstanding lockdown bullpen the likes of which we haven't seen since then. Just look at the stats.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/2005.shtml
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Old 01-14-2013, 05:39 PM
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I disagree on that.

They used 3 closers that year and Cotts + Polite were the only reliable arms night in and night out.

Those 3 closers all had shaky moments throughout the year. Shingo was bad. Hermanson had a bad back. Jenks was a rookie who actually blew a save in the WS.

All the credit to me goes on that starting staff. They carried that team to a Championship.
Noooo, no, no, no my friend. Even if we go with just Neal Cotts and Cliff Polittte being "dependable" that year, that's 2 guys that posted sub .200 batting averages against, pitching at least 60 innings each. A handful of players do that every season. Teams would love to have ONE guy do that, just one. And that being their best reliever, which is usually their closer if anyone. The Mariano Rivera's of the league. But to have that be middle relief? And to have TWO of them do that in the same season? Quite a luxury.

Especially in the case with Cotts that season. It could be that maybe his stat line is bolstered by dominating lefties, but it's not. He pitched very well against them, but you could argue he pitched even more effectively against righties, and actually faced more righties than lefties. That season, it didn't matter, you could throw him out there against basically anyone.

Overall, the White Sox relievers allowed the 2nd lowest percentage of inherited runners to score. All while having the 6th most games where a reliever entered the game with runners on base. They were huge that year.
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:50 PM
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Jenks was a rookie who actually blew a save in the WS.
Jenks was awesome that year. No one is perfect. As it is that save was blown on a doink hit. And that doink hit only scored the tying run because it was hit to Podsednik.
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Old 01-28-2013, 02:49 AM
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One difference is Jackson has put up better numbers since 2009.

Floyd: 4.20 ERA, average 185.5 IP/year

Jackson:3.98 ERA, 203 IP/year
Also Jackson has completed a no-hitter. Speaks to just how brilliant his flashes of brilliance can be. Remember, their is no "i" in "team" but there is a "win" in Edwin.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:57 AM
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Edwin Jackson had a losing record last year on a team that won 90+ games and the NL East.

In both Chicago and Washington I tried hard, very hard, to like Edwin Jackson. I am probably in the 95th percentile in terms of how hard I've tried to like Edwin Jackson. But the consistency just really isn't there: I've given up on it recently.
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:59 AM
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Also Jackson has completed a no-hitter. Speaks to just how brilliant his flashes of brilliance can be. Remember, their is no "i" in "team" but there is a "win" in Edwin.
It was probably one of the ugliest no-hitters in baseball history, what with the wild pitch, hit-by-pitch, 8 walks, and all.
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