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Old 01-22-2013, 03:55 PM
Smokey Burg Smokey Burg is offline
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Did anyone else read Saturdays Sun-Times when Epstein stated that the cubs should be able to compete for the division championship by 2015? With recent talk of wrigley renovations I intrepret Epstein as throwing in the towel for 2013 and 14 while concentrating on the renovations. sorry if I opened up another useless cub thread but was wondering if anybody else saw it.
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Old 01-22-2013, 04:03 PM
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Did anyone else read Saturdays Sun-Times when Epstein stated that the cubs should be able to compete for the division championship by 2015? With recent talk of wrigley renovations I intrepret Epstein as throwing in the towel for 2013 and 14 while concentrating on the renovations. sorry if I opened up another useless cub thread but was wondering if anybody else saw it.
Well, in theory that is when their young talent should be fully matured and ready. The only problem that I can find is I am not sure what young talent they are talking about.
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Old 01-22-2013, 07:23 PM
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Well, in theory that is when their young talent should be fully matured and ready. The only problem that I can find is I am not sure what young talent they are talking about.
The waves and waves of talent always just around the corner...

Bobby Hill, Josh Vitters, Richard Lewis, Hee Sop Choi, Brett Jackson, Dave Kelton, Beanball Ben Christensen, Angel Guzman, Felix Pie, Rich Hill, Corey Patterson, Jae Kuk Ryu...
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Old 01-22-2013, 07:58 PM
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The waves and waves of talent always just around the corner...

Bobby Hill, Josh Vitters, Richard Lewis, Hee Sop Choi, Brett Jackson, Dave Kelton, Beanball Ben Christensen, Angel Guzman, Felix Pie, Rich Hill, Corey Patterson, Jae Kuk Ryu...
Gary Varsho, Gary Scott, Jerome Walton, Paul Noce, Brant Brown...
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:40 PM
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Until they get some front line starting pitching, they aren't going anywhere.
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Old 01-22-2013, 10:16 PM
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Pretty much what I thought. I'm used to seeing cub management throw in the towel but they usually at least wait until two or three of their big name players go on the DL during the last week of spring training.
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Old 01-23-2013, 11:55 AM
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Don Elston, Bob Will, Dick Drott, Glenn Hobbie, Jerry Kindall, Danny Murphy, Dick Bertell, Billy Cowan, Calvin Koonce. It has been that way ever since I've been following baseball.

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Old 01-23-2013, 02:08 PM
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I always stay out of the Cubs thread but...

You cannot deny the talent/potential of Castro and Rizzo and maybe even Jackson.

Although, I think the Cubs front office messed up calling Jackson up as soon as they did. Now Vitters may be a bust. I feel like he's been in their system for ten years now anyways. As someone already noted, until they have frontline starting pitching they're not going anywhere.

I still cannot believe how easily the Cubs got Rizzo from the Padres. We should make a trade like that. Andrew Cashner? Really? Probably the Hoyer-Padres connection.
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Old 01-23-2013, 03:28 PM
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Nothing new here. Theo has been talking about 2015 ever since he got into town.

The flaws in his plan have been discussed extensively already on WSI, so I won't reiterate them, but I will say my winning a Mega Millions Lottery drawing is a more likely event.
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Old 01-23-2013, 03:36 PM
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I always stay out of the Cubs thread but...

You cannot deny the talent/potential of Castro and Rizzo and maybe even Jackson.

Although, I think the Cubs front office messed up calling Jackson up as soon as they did. Now Vitters may be a bust. I feel like he's been in their system for ten years now anyways. As someone already noted, until they have frontline starting pitching they're not going anywhere.

I still cannot believe how easily the Cubs got Rizzo from the Padres. We should make a trade like that. Andrew Cashner? Really? Probably the Hoyer-Padres connection.
The Cubs might have gotten Rizzo based on Hoyer's Padres' connection because the Red Sox gave him up due to Hoyer's Red Sox connection. I recall reading somewhere that some members of the Padres organization thought that Rizzo would never be able to hit at the major league level (or maybe it was just in their park).

The Padres also acquired Yonder Alonso from the Reds which made Rizzo expendable.
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Old 01-23-2013, 03:52 PM
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The Cubs might have gotten Rizzo based on Hoyer's Padres' connection because the Red Sox gave him up due to Hoyer's Red Sox connection. I recall reading somewhere that some members of the Padres organization thought that Rizzo would never be able to hit at the major league level (or maybe it was just in their park).

The Padres also acquired Yonder Alonso from the Reds which made Rizzo expendable.
Looks to be a really bad move
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I always stay out of the Cubs thread but...

You cannot deny the talent/potential of Castro and Rizzo and maybe even Jackson.

Although, I think the Cubs front office messed up calling Jackson up as soon as they did. Now Vitters may be a bust. I feel like he's been in their system for ten years now anyways...
I'll be surprised if Jackson spends much time next season or the seasons after on the Cubs major league roster.
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:36 AM
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I always stay out of the Cubs thread but...

You cannot deny the talent/potential of Castro and Rizzo and maybe even Jackson.

Although, I think the Cubs front office messed up calling Jackson up as soon as they did. Now Vitters may be a bust. I feel like he's been in their system for ten years now anyways. As someone already noted, until they have frontline starting pitching they're not going anywhere.

I still cannot believe how easily the Cubs got Rizzo from the Padres. We should make a trade like that. Andrew Cashner? Really? Probably the Hoyer-Padres connection.
I don't know about Jackson(big contact and K issues), but I would be more excited about Almora and Javier Baez. But the pitching in their system is not very good. It looks like their plan is to build the offense up and probably sign veteran pitchers to build their staff once they are closer.
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:33 PM
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Cubs? Competitive?

The Sox will go through a full rebuilding cycle and be competitive before the Cubs are.
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Old 01-24-2013, 09:16 PM
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2015 should be the goal.

Epstein will be in trouble if they aren't.
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