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Old 01-29-2013, 11:58 AM
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I ignore the minor leagues. The games aren't televised and even if they were, I would be too busy to watch enough of them to form an opinion. I don't rely on stat lines to tell who is good and who isn't, that is only part of the picture.
That's the kind of attitude that can get you a job with the White Sox front office.
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Old 01-29-2013, 12:19 PM
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That's the kind of attitude that can get you a job with the White Sox front office.
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Old 01-29-2013, 12:20 PM
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No, you can speculate and talk all you want. I just don't have the time or inclination to study minor league players who have, at best, a 3% chance of playing in The Show. That's all.
That's fine - neither do I - but there are people who get paid to do that, and some are writers who analyze and report on it.

Methinks some folks (not necessarily you, Dump) would have much less of an issue with the entire analysis of minor league systems if the Sox were, say 3rd instead of near the bottom.
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Old 01-29-2013, 12:23 PM
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That's fine - neither do I - but there are people who get paid to do that, and some are writers who analyze and report on it.
That's fine. There are also people who report and analyze celebrity gossip. I don't begrudge them, either. I was only responding to Doub's miscomprehension of my earlier post.
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No, you can speculate and talk all you want. I just don't have the time or inclination to study minor league players who have, at best, a 3% chance of playing in The Show. That's all.

The overall success rate of minor league players is indeed spectacularly low, but top ranked guys have a much, much, much higher chance to play in the Major Leagues.

Again, you're certainly spending a lot of time yakking about something you claim to not care about.

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That's fine. There are also people who report and analyze celebrity gossip. I don't begrudge them, either. I was only responding to Doub's miscomprehension of my earlier post.
And I am still dyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyying to hear what sort of connection you think there is between the complete state of a team's minor league system and their likelihood of success in 2013....
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Old 01-29-2013, 01:25 PM
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Until the Sox start spending the amount of money need to really get good talent as well as develop it, they are going to be behind the eight ball. According to the numbers that Gonzo had in the Tribune, they spent the least amount of money in baseball over the last five years on the minor league talent.

Like my late father used to say, "you get what you pay for..."

This may change with Hahn in charge, he might take a more balanced appraoch to the entire major/minor league operation. We'll see.

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Old 01-29-2013, 01:48 PM
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Until the Sox start spending the amount of money need to really get good talent as well as develop it, they are going to be behind the eight ball. According to the numbers that Gonzo had in the Tribune, they spent the least amount of money in baseball over the last five years on the minor league talent.

Like my late father used to say, "you get what you pay for..."

This may change with Hahn in charge, he might take a more balanced appraoch to the entire major/minor league operation. We'll see.

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Not to mention the changes in the new CBA hopefully meaning the Sox do spend more than they have in the past on amateur talent, especially relative to other teams who can't spend as much as they used to.
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Pirates, Padres, Cubs, Twins, Red Sox, and Marlins are in the top ten (60% of the top ten for those of you keeping score at home). All had losing seasons last year (if the Red Sox have such a great farm system, why did they not have the horses to replace the injured players?). I only ignored the cherry picking.
Actually the Red Sox had extensive injuries last year. At one point, they had 4 outfielders on the DL. That was after they traded their top outfield prospect before the season in Josh Reddick for a closer and Ryan Sweeney. The closer, Andrew Bailey did not return till late summer from a spring injury and Sweeney started as the 4th outfielder and went down with an injury for an extended period as well. Tough to find that many replacements in the minors.
I see them a lot and they have been pretty successful in getting production when they call up a player. Now they do spend money at the AAA level by signing some ML vets to go along with their young prospects. Notice Theo contunued the same signing Lillibridge and McDonald to AAA contracts.
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Actually the Red Sox had extensive injuries last year. At one point, they had 4 outfielders on the DL. That was after they traded their top outfield prospect before the season in Josh Reddick for a closer and Ryan Sweeney. The closer, Andrew Bailey did not return till late summer from a spring injury and Sweeney started as the 4th outfielder and went down with an injury for an extended period as well. Tough to find that many replacements in the minors.
I see them a lot and they have been pretty successful in getting production when they call up a player. Now they do spend money at the AAA level by signing some ML vets to go along with their young prospects. Notice Theo contunued the same signing Lillibridge and McDonald to AAA contracts.
Can Reddick be said to have been a prospect at that point? He had played over half the season prior to the trade.
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I would also like to point out that major league success has little bearing on whether the player in the minors *now* is considered a top/valuable prospect. Many a prospect perceived as great, but who sputtered out eventually, has been used to fetch a hefty ransom in trade talks.

We don't have any of those guys.
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And I am still dyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyying to hear what sort of connection you think there is between the complete state of a team's minor league system and their likelihood of success in 2013....
Ok, for the last time: you and I are in agreement on this and have always been in this thread, why do you persist in arguing with me on this point?
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Not to mention the changes in the new CBA hopefully meaning the Sox do spend more than they have in the past on amateur talent, especially relative to other teams who can't spend as much as they used to.
This ^^

Last year's draft represented a dramatic shift in our philosophy which can be attributed to the changes in the CBA. With the playing field more even, I imagine that a lot of teams that traditionally do well in the draft because of their free spending will suffer. I look forward to players being drafted in the proper order for many years to come.
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Until the Sox start spending the amount of money need to really get good talent as well as develop it, they are going to be behind the eight ball. According to the numbers that Gonzo had in the Tribune, they spent the least amount of money in baseball over the last five years on the minor league talent.

Like my late father used to say, "you get what you pay for..."

This may change with Hahn in charge, he might take a more balanced appraoch to the entire major/minor league operation. We'll see.

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The Sox spent their entire allocation last year under the new CBA. Can't do better than that with the new system.
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It's more than just spending on U.S. players.

It's spending on good coaches, it's spending on getting the best scouts (even if that means getting them from other organizations), it's spending on getting the minor league operations up to par with the way the Sox want it done. Have been to Great Falls for example and let's just say they need some work on the facilities. It means spending money on international talent that is not subject to draft specifications.

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It's more than just spending on U.S. players.

It's spending on good coaches, it's spending on getting the best scouts (even if that means getting them from other organizations), it's spending on getting the minor league operations up to par with the way the Sox want it done. Have been to Great Falls for example and let's just say they need some work on the facilities. It means spending money on international talent that is not subject to draft specifications.

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I thought spending on international talent was also covered under the new CBA?
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