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Guys, please, if you screw up the quote function by deleting part of the quote commands while cutting out text, either click the edit button and go back and fix it, or if you don't know how, delete the whole post and do it over again. But don't let it sit there screwed up! If you can't do either, then DON'T cut quotes before posting them. Just leave them alone.
Also, if you see that someone has screwed up the quote function, DON'T quote the screwed up quote (unless you know how to patch it up as you go) because then quotes start getting attributed to posters who didn't make them. I just spent several minutes figuring out who really said which quotes and repairing them in a whole string of posts, and I shouldn't have to do that.
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When Dunn was 23, he hit 27/57 with a relatively close line to Viciedo of .215/.354/.465 (granted worse BA and better OPB) with more total PAs that Viciedo has now. Conversely, when Frank was 23, he hit 32/109 and .318/.443/.553 with a handful more PA's that Viciedo has now. That he's 23 has only a little bearing on his past vs. future performance, and I still doubt we'll see him hitting for average, with quality at-bats, plate patience and fewer K's anytime soon. I'd be happy with any improvement. |
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Can you come up with a player with a truly comparable first season to Viciedo, including K:BB ratio and contact rates, in which the player wasn't out of the league in five years? |
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Last year, we had people telling everyone how Dayan would never make it defensively in the Majors. He turned in one of the best years in the field at his position. The kid's going to be fine, people.
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Willie Stargell - .243/.290/.428, 4.47 K/BB, 3.85 PA/K (HOF) Andre Dawson - .253/.299/.442, 4.26 K/BB, 5.15 PA/K (HOF) Dave Parker - .282/.322/.409, 5.30 K/BB, 4.40 PA/K ('78 MVP) Jermaine Dye - .252/.286/.394, 4.55 K/BB, 4.77 PA/K, ages 22-24 ('05 WS MVP) Ryan Howard - horrid 3.63 PA/K at age 23...in high A ball. ('06 MVP)
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Well played, Vulture, well played. |
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Dayan Viciedo - .255/.300/.444, 4.28 K/BB, 4.52 PA/K - 762 PA after his age 23 season.
Willie Stargell - .243/.290/.428, 4.47 K/BB, 3.85 PA/K (HOF) - 362 PA Andre Dawson - .253/.299/.442, 4.26 K/BB, 5.15 PA/K (HOF) - 1300+ PA, but was ROY the year before at .282/.326/.474 Dave Parker - .282/.322/.409, 5.30 K/BB, 4.40 PA/K ('78 MVP) - 377 PA Jermaine Dye - .252/.286/.394, 4.55 K/BB, 4.77 PA/K, ages 22-24 ('05 WS MVP) - 591 PA (close) Ryan Howard - horrid 3.63 PA/K at age 23...in high A ball. ('06 MVP) - He was 24 in his first season with 42 PA. Nice try. Viciedo's comparables through age 23 are: (source: Baseball Reference)
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Joe Carter, age 23 : 0 BB, 21 K, 52 AB. Small sample size, but 0 to 21 while k'ing more than 40% of the time? Hopeless
Totals through age 24: 6.27 K/BB, 4.47 PA/K Matt Williams: .202/.245/.455, 5.14 K/BB, 4.32 PA/K(led NL in RBI following season) Derrek Lee: .206/.263/.326, 4.11 K/BB, 3.37 PA/K ('05 Batting Champ, 8 seasons of 70+ walks) George Foster, age 22-24: .234/.304/.373 4.50 K/BB, 4.14 PA/K('77 NL MVP) |
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Dayan Viciedo 762 PA after his age 23 season. Perhaps calling Viciedo up at age 21 was a bit early.
Willie Stargell - 362 PA - So getting his at bats in the minors somehow makes him more accomplished? Presumably, if he were called up at age 21 his ratios would be even worse. Andre Dawson 1300+ PA, but was ROY the year before at .282/.326/.474 - None the less his numbers at age 23 are nearly identical to Viciedo's Dave Parker 377 PA - again, he was instead batting in the minors Jermaine Dye - .252/.286/.394, 4.55 K/BB, 4.77 PA/K, ages 22-24 ('05 WS MVP) - 591 PA (close) Ryan Howard - - He was 24 in his first season with 42 PA. Exactly. While Viciedo was playing in the majors, Howard was wiffing at a higher rate AT A-Level Minor league BALL. If a player fails at the major league level at age 23, certainly a player who hasn't reached AA and struck out 30% of the time IN A-BALL shouldn't have success at the majors either. Last edited by TheVulture; 02-14-2013 at 01:57 PM. |
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You're embarrassing yourself. Last edited by dickallen15; 02-14-2013 at 01:49 PM. |
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Matt Williams: Pedro Garcia Joe Carter: Jeffrey Hammonds Jermaine Dye: Lee Walls Paul Konerko: Bernie Carbo Edgar Martinez(Borderline HOFer career .933 OPS), age 28: Dave Stapleton, career OPS .707. I'm pretty sure this is the first time Dave Stapleton has been mentioned in the same sentence as Edgar Martinez. Last edited by TheVulture; 02-14-2013 at 02:08 PM. |
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