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Old 04-23-2013, 10:37 AM
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The Sox lost in the two Swisher trades, badly.
That's a huge understatement, considering they basically flipped Gio Gonzalez into Jeff Marquez-- a Cy Young contender for a guy who never even sniffed a major league roster spot.
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Old 04-23-2013, 10:43 AM
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As for Dunn, he's epic bad and is making his 2011 batting average of .158 look stellar compared to the .106 or whatever the hell it is he's batting now.
Now we read that he has identified a couple of minor technical issues that are responsible for his 1-for-31 streak. That to my mind hits the Sox problem on the sweet spot: Sox hitters don't know the difference between hitting a pitched baseball and a golf swing. For the latter, you fine tune every aspect of the swing because the ball cooperates completely. In baseball, you have to react. I thought that attitude might have come from Greg Walker, he of the gorgeous swing. Now I wonder if Hawk Harrelson spouts the same gobbledygook in the clubhouse as on the air and how much influence he has.

The Sox will get plenty of chances to work on their golf swings this fall.
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Old 04-23-2013, 11:08 AM
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The White Sox have gift-wrapped each of the last four games for their opposition. Walks, errors, bad baserunning, you name it. As a matter of fact, a throwing error has been a big play in three of these last four losses.

Much of the focus has been on the poor offense. Understandably so. But this team is awful defensively. Of the 12 losses, at least half of them have been gift-wrapped with poor defense.

I feel this club has beaten itself more in the first three weeks of this season than it did the first five months of last year.

The start of this season feels like an extension of last September.
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That got me thinking, counting last night the Sox are now 11-23 in their last 34 MLB games dating back to last September 19th.

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Old 04-23-2013, 11:15 AM
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To all those saying Robin should bench Dunn. To be honest I don't know if he has that authority, I'd like to think he does but to bench a guy making 14 million a year, in this organization?

I just don't know if he can do that.

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Old 04-23-2013, 12:29 PM
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To all those saying Robin should bench Dunn. To be honest I don't know if he has that authority, I'd like to think he does but to bench a guy making 14 million a year, in this organization?

I just don't know if he can do that.

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An interesting question. I've discussed this very point with a few different people recently. How long does Robin wait to act? And would he be allowed to act given the money Dunn is making?

Guillen used to talk about how he "makes out the ****ing lineup," yet he left a .160 hitter in the 3 hole nearly all season in 2011. Maybe he was just that stupid, but you also wonder if he was acting on orders from above.

If Dunn continues to be this bad, I hope Robin does have the authority to make a change. But I don't know. I do know Uncle Jer wants a return on his investment.
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Old 04-23-2013, 01:35 PM
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Now we read that he has identified a couple of minor technical issues that are responsible for his 1-for-31 streak. That to my mind hits the Sox problem on the sweet spot: Sox hitters don't know the difference between hitting a pitched baseball and a golf swing. For the latter, you fine tune every aspect of the swing because the ball cooperates completely. In baseball, you have to react. I thought that attitude might have come from Greg Walker, he of the gorgeous swing. Now I wonder if Hawk Harrelson spouts the same gobbledygook in the clubhouse as on the air and how much influence he has.

The Sox will get plenty of chances to work on their golf swings this fall.

Are you seriously suggesting that Hawk is to blame for Dunn's failures? Or for the teams offensive failures?
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Old 04-23-2013, 01:40 PM
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An interesting question. I've discussed this very point with a few different people recently. How long does Robin wait to act? And would he be allowed to act given the money Dunn is making?

Guillen used to talk about how he "makes out the ****ing lineup," yet he left a .160 hitter in the 3 hole nearly all season in 2011. Maybe he was just that stupid, but you also wonder if he was acting on orders from above.

If Dunn continues to be this bad, I hope Robin does have the authority to make a change. But I don't know. I do know Uncle Jer wants a return on his investment.
If Robin can't do what is best for the team then this organization really is operating backwards. I guess I'd equate it to a starting QB in the NFL being benched if he wasn't performing...sometimes things need to be done for the good of the team and theoretically speaking, money shouldn't make a difference in that. Realistically I don't really know what to think about where JR's head is these days.
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Old 04-23-2013, 04:05 PM
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Are you seriously suggesting that Hawk is to blame for Dunn's failures? Or for the teams offensive failures?
That's pretty ridiculous.

Our offensive failures are the GM's fault. Yeah, he didn't sign some of the problems. But the moves he made contributed. Keppinger's been brutal. Relying on Dayan and Flowers was a mistake.

Keppinger pretty much got AJ's money. How nice would AJ's line look in our lineup? He's hitting .310 with four bombs and ten rbi's.

Maybe it seemed like the right move to let AJ go...but his replacement bat (whether you consider it flowers by position or Keppinger by money) has cost this team on offense dearly.

And left field is probably the easiest position to get someone league average at for little money. Not finding someone to compete with Dayan is an absolute joke.
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Old 04-24-2013, 07:13 AM
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Guillen used to talk about how he "makes out the ****ing lineup," yet he left a .160 hitter in the 3 hole nearly all season in 2011. Maybe he was just that stupid, but you also wonder if he was acting on orders from above.
a. Ozzie was not stupid
b. You do the math
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Are you seriously suggesting that Hawk is to blame for Dunn's failures? Or for the teams offensive failures?
No, of course not. But time after time we have seen players fall into this unproductive pattern. It is a culture in the organization, and I just wonder to what extent Hawk reinforces that culture.
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:22 AM
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Guillen used to talk about how he "makes out the ****ing lineup," yet he left a .160 hitter in the 3 hole nearly all season in 2011. Maybe he was just that stupid, but you also wonder if he was acting on orders from above.
It's hard to read into much of what Ozzie was up to in 2011, as at best, the only way to describe what he was doing was just quitting on the team.
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