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Old 05-05-2013, 10:34 PM
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Especially with this organization no?

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Old 05-05-2013, 10:43 PM
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Was that a poor effort by Rios, or an injured effort by Rios?
That looked like a catchable ball.

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Supposedly playing in the WBC helped Rios.....no really that's what some were saying.

3rd game this year the Sox lost when leading in the 7th or later.

1-3 in extra inning games this season...Sox now 6-12 in extra inning games dating back to last year.

Dunn left five men on base today with two strikeouts, yet he continues to hit up in the lineup.

Walks will kill you.

It just keeps getting worse and worse and worse.

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Old 05-05-2013, 11:05 PM
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I'm not going to hold that last one against Rios, although you have to worry about what the team's struggles are going to do to him as the season goes on.
I'm all for blowing it up, but there really isn't much to work with in the big team and the other levels.
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Old 05-05-2013, 11:17 PM
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Thats not going to be so easy. Rios may get you some, will Thornton, Crain? Forget Floyd, Peavy now maybe not much. Ramirez salary may negate the type of prospect you can get. Paul if he wants out wont get the Sox much. There isnt anyone else. Its easy to say get prospects but a heck of a lot harder to actually be able to do it.
The relievers should bring prospects. Lindstrom, Crain, Thornton - pitchers like that have brought decent returns.
If Peavy could pitch, he should bring someone really good. Even better, if we pick up salary.
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Old 05-05-2013, 11:23 PM
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The relievers should bring prospects. Lindstrom, Crain, Thornton - pitchers like that have brought decent returns.
I forgot about Lindstrom but all 3 are FA's after this year. You think the Sox can get good prospects for a couple months?
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Old 05-06-2013, 12:29 AM
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I forgot about Lindstrom but all 3 are FA's after this year. You think the Sox can get good prospects for a couple months?
I don't.

I oppose the nuclear option because I don't believe these players are nearly as valuable on the trade market as many here believe.

IMO, the bounty of prospects everyone wants or thinks the Sox are going to get is not forthcoming.
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:10 AM
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I'm putting this loss on Addison Reed's shoulders. In the 9th, Keppinger's muffed potential double play was water under the bridge, and he started the 9th with a two run lead. He then walks two guys who both come around to score.

I know Steve Stone says that with closers, saves are all that matters, but I for one am getting a bit weary of Reed's ineffectiveness being glossed over with a save. Can't this guy just come in and retire the side in order for a change?

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Old 05-06-2013, 04:18 AM
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I oppose the nuclear option because I don't believe these players are nearly as valuable on the trade market as many here believe.
What other choice is there but the nuclear option with the upcoming FAs? Pick up their options?
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Old 05-06-2013, 08:03 AM
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The lack of offense and hitting with RISP is a problem, but the fact is, our good pitching staff walks too many hitters at critical points in games.
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Old 05-06-2013, 08:05 AM
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The lack of offense and hitting with RISP is a problem, but the fact is, our good pitching staff walks too many hitters at critical points in games.
Truth. This has been an issue since September.
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Old 05-06-2013, 08:29 AM
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Considering the White Sox track record developing draft picks, why, unless you want something to complain about for the next 10-15 years, would anyone want them to go into a total rebuild? Do people really want to see guys in Chicago that are having a tough time playing in Charlotte and Birmingham?
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Old 05-06-2013, 08:37 AM
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Everybody knows I hate walks, but in today's case, it was *who* we walked that really bothered me. In both the eighth and ninth innings, we walked the No. 8 and No. 9 hitters back-to-back. Getz and Kottaras? Neither of these two players is a good hitter. They are batting .229 and .222, respectively.

That allowed the lineup to turn over, and it put the Sox in a position where Gordon, Escobar or Butler could hurt them. Butler hurt them in the ninth. Gordon hurt them in the 10th.

You have to make bums like Getz and Kottaras hit their way on. Sox relievers refused to do so. Or in the one case, the bench was inexplicably fearful of Getz and ordered an intentional walk.

That's just bad baseball. It's embarrassing.

Who is more likely to beat you? Getz or Kottaras? Or Butler and Gordon? I think there's an easy answer to that question. So why the hell are we walking Getz and Kottaras?

If you're afraid of Chirs friggin Getz, you need a new job. Omgrosso (sp) isn't good enough to be putting anybody on base on purpose. Like you said; that was one batter closer to turning over the lineup. I can't stand this "managing scared" bull**** either. IT'S CHRIS GETZ.
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Old 05-06-2013, 08:52 AM
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JB is right; our veterans will not fetch the prospects for which we clamor.
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:02 AM
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JB is right; our veterans will not fetch the prospects for which we clamor.
Yes he is and that shows how dire the situation is right now. It very well could be very tough in the next few years.
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:05 AM
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Yes he is and that shows how dire the situation is right now. It very well could be very tough in the next few years.
Actually, I feel good about the state of our pitching.

Fixing the hitting requires drafting, signing and developing better position players.
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