Interesting Perspective...

[hawkjt]

Last season,the fans had a reason to attend...Sox were in 1st place,and yet they stayed away for a myriad of reasons.

This year, attendance is up,go figure, for a team that is stuck in last place.
Now, last year the team was virtually the same,record-wise,at this point,so maybe attendance will flag in the summer if the Sox do not streak.

[Milw]

Originally Posted by hawkjt

Last season,the fans had a reason to attend...Sox were in 1st place,and yet they stayed away for a myriad of reasons.

This year, attendance is up,go figure, for a team that is stuck in last place.
Now, last year the team was virtually the same,record-wise,at this point,so maybe attendance will flag in the summer if the Sox do not streak.

Attendance, for the most part, lags a year, because it's so dependent on pre-sales and season tickets. Spur-of-the-moment, short-term ticket buying is a relatively small segment of sales. It's why attendance in 2006 was much higher than in 2005, and why next year's attendance will likely be down considerably, barring a sudden turnaround by this group.

[eriqjaffe]

Originally Posted by hawkjt

This year, attendance is up,go figure, for a team that is stuck in last place.

The drops in ticket & parking prices probably has something to do with this.

[Lip Man 1]

Agreed.

Lip

[johnny bench]

Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

The drops in ticket & parking prices probably has something to do with this.

Nah, it was the pie-in-the-face marketing plan.

[DickAllen72]

Don't underestimate the damage that Ozzie did the last couple of years he was here. For me, those last couple of Ozzie years left a very bad taste in my mouth and I lost a lot of respect for the organization the way they enabled him and his family.

[Lip Man 1]

Dick:

To say nothing of how he insulted the fan base:

"they can ‘turn off their TVs and stop watching the game if they don’t like the [bleep]ing lineup’’

“as soon as you leave the ballpark they don’t care about you. They don’t. The monuments, the statues…they pee on them when they get drunk.”

Classy guy that Ozzie.

Lip

[Hitmen77]

Originally Posted by Milw

Of the teams that had a higher payroll than the Sox last year, only Milwaukee, Detroit and St. Louis could be considered small markets. Milwaukee outspent the Sox by a whopping $700,000; St. Louis was coming off a World Series championship; and Detroit, well, they should be commended for spending.

You neglected to note the teams the Sox outspent last year: the Cubs, Mets and Dodgers; the NL Central champion Reds; the NL East champion Nationals; the AL West champion A's; and wild card qualifiers Orioles and Braves.

Yeah, I wish the Sox would spend more. Of course. But spending WISELY is a much higher priority.

Part of the problem is that they have almost no above average internal talent to field along side the high-salary guys like Dunn, Konerko, Rios and Peavy. There's not enough room on the payroll to fill all the holes on your roster with veteran acquired via FA or trades. If you throw money at players like Dunn and then keep developing players like Josh Fields and Brent Morel as your best position players, that's good enough for around .500 and about 3rd place.

So, spending wisely isn't only about paying for the Dunns of the worlds, it's also about putting resources into your scouting and minor league system.

One more thing I'll say about 1999. The Sox may have had a lousy record that year, but they already had the following young players somewhere in their organization: Konerko, Ordonez, Lee, Garland, Buehrle, Crede, Rowand. The Sox farm system was seen as pretty good back then. When your farm system is ranked dead last for many years in a row (as is the case now), you're not likely to see a repeat of that. I really doubt that there's another crop of good players like that making their way to the Sox any time soon.

Originally Posted by hawkjt

Last season,the fans had a reason to attend...Sox were in 1st place,and yet they stayed away for a myriad of reasons.

This year, attendance is up,go figure, for a team that is stuck in last place.
Now, last year the team was virtually the same,record-wise,at this point,so maybe attendance will flag in the summer if the Sox do not streak.

Actually, it makes perfect sense to me. Attendance figures often reflect the team's on-field performance the following season. If a team has a surprise playoff season, it's often not until next year that they'll see the bump from more season ticket sales and other advance ticket sales.
The people on this site who like to bash Sox fans for the low attendance last season always ignore this fact.

[Bobby Thigpen]

Originally Posted by Lip Man 1

Dick:

To say nothing of how he insulted the fan base:

"they can ‘turn off their TVs and stop watching the game if they don’t like the [bleep]ing lineup’’

“as soon as you leave the ballpark they don’t care about you. They don’t. The monuments, the statues…they pee on them when they get drunk.”

Classy guy that Ozzie.

Lip

Did you copy and paste this from some other site? Is that why it's in a different font?

Do you ever get tired of saying the same things over and over and over and over again?

[Bobby Thigpen]

Originally Posted by dickallen15

I wonder if winning the WS after the initial spike, has actually hurt the White Sox long term. Fans aren't impressed with being in first place every day for a few months, 85-90 win seasons are considered huge failures. There is no doubt the Sox should have taken advantage of all the advantages they have had over their AL Central counterparts over the years, and they did not.

I think there could be some merit to this thought. I know the general vibe of this site has changed quite a bit since the WS. I think "back in the day" Sox fans weren't any more pessimistic than they are now, I just think there was a little bit more sarcasm and humor around than there seems to be now. I don't know that spoiled would be an appropriate word, but things Sox fans used to be pretty excited about now is generally a source of complaints.

[Moses_Scurry]

Originally Posted by Bobby Thigpen

I think there could be some merit to this thought. I know the general vibe of this site has changed quite a bit since the WS. I think "back in the day" Sox fans weren't any more pessimistic than they are now, I just think there was a little bit more sarcasm and humor around than there seems to be now. I don't know that spoiled would be an appropriate word, but things Sox fans used to be pretty excited about now is generally a source of complaints.

The site definitely used to be a lot more cubsessed. 2005 was really the point where that changed dramatically. We almost don't need the 'What's the Score' forum anymore.

[The Immigrant]

Originally Posted by Moses_Scurry

The site definitely used to be a lot more cubsessed. 2005 was really the point where that changed dramatically. We almost don't need the 'What's the Score' forum anymore.

I think it changed for good when the Cubs started sucking again after fielding some pretty good teams in 2007 and 2008.

As for the site, it's interesting to look through an old thread and see dozens of names who are no longer around for one reason or another.

[Lip Man 1]

Originally Posted by Bobby Thigpen

Did you copy and paste this from some other site? Is that why it's in a different font?

Do you ever get tired of saying the same things over and over and over and over again?

Bobby:

I have material in my library that apparently doesn't transfer in the same way when I cut and paste it. It obviously was still readable wasn't it?

I'll answer your question with one of my own...do you?

Lip

[doublem23]

Originally Posted by Lip Man 1

I'll answer your question with one of my own...do you?

That doesn't actually answer his question

[Lip Man 1]

Originally Posted by doublem23

That doesn't actually answer his question

Touche' LOL

Lip