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Old 10-30-2013, 04:05 PM
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If we do trade Danks that will give the Sox more money to sign Ellsbury.

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Old 10-30-2013, 04:10 PM
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If we do trade Danks that will give the Sox more money to sign Ellsbury.
You think there's a team out there that's going to take Danks and the money?
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Old 10-30-2013, 04:15 PM
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You think there's a team out there that's going to take Danks and the money?
There was a team out there that took Rios and his money.
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Old 10-30-2013, 04:18 PM
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There was a team out there that took Rios and his money.
Rios wasn't nearly as bad as Danks last year, doesn't have major health questions, and is owed $12 million over 1 year whereas Danks is owed more than $40 million over the next 3 seasons. Not very comparable situations.
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Old 10-30-2013, 04:23 PM
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What's with the fascination with Ellsbury? When he's healthy he's awesome and might be the best leadoff hitter in the game. But he just turned 30, he does have health issues, and he's going to get a 5-7 year deal that pays him $15 - $20 million a year. No thanks. I don't want the Sox signing any more guys over 30 to long term deals.
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Old 10-30-2013, 04:26 PM
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Rios wasn't nearly as bad as Danks last year, doesn't have major health questions, and is owed $12 million over 1 year whereas Danks is owed more than $40 million over the next 3 seasons. Not very comparable situations.
On top of that, Rios was having a pretty good season, is healthy, and with Nelson Cruz getting that suspension, he filled a need.
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Old 10-30-2013, 04:27 PM
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What's with the fascination with Ellsbury? When he's healthy he's awesome and might be the best leadoff hitter in the game. But he just turned 30, he does have health issues, and he's going to get a 5-7 year deal that pays him $15 - $20 million a year. No thanks. I don't want the Sox signing any more guys over 30 to long term deals.
I wouldn't worry about it too much, Abreu will likely be the only big free agent signing the Sox make this offseason. I expect more player development with smaller signings and trades.
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Old 10-30-2013, 04:30 PM
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I wouldn't worry about it too much, Abreu will likely be the only big free agent signing the Sox make this offseason. I expect more player development with smaller signings and trades.
Agreed, I think Hahn specifically mentioned at Abreu's press conference that the Red Sox went from 93-loss laughingstock in 2012 to the cusp of the World Series this year by adding mid-level veterans and not making a sexy big-name splash.
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Old 10-30-2013, 04:41 PM
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Rios wasn't nearly as bad as Danks last year, doesn't have major health questions, and is owed $12 million over 1 year whereas Danks is owed more than $40 million over the next 3 seasons. Not very comparable situations.
I wouldn't give up on Danks yet. I saw enough positive last year to think that he might pitch well once he is two years removed from surgery. We'll see.
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Old 10-30-2013, 04:42 PM
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What's with the fascination with Ellsbury? When he's healthy he's awesome and might be the best leadoff hitter in the game. But he just turned 30, he does have health issues, and he's going to get a 5-7 year deal that pays him $15 - $20 million a year. No thanks. I don't want the Sox signing any more guys over 30 to long term deals.
Agreed, whole-heartedly. Long term deals should only go to players that will be in their prime still in 3-5 years.
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I wouldn't give up on Danks yet. I saw enough positive last year to think that he might pitch well once he is two years removed from surgery. We'll see.
Oh, I agree, I am more high on Danks having a good bounce back season probably than anybody else on this board, I just don't think someone is going to come along and take him and his contract off our hands.
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I wouldn't give up on Danks yet. I saw enough positive last year to think that he might pitch well once he is two years removed from surgery. We'll see.
I wasn't expecting Danks to have a great year last season. I am hopeful he regains his form this season.
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I wasn't expecting Danks to have a great year last season. I am hopeful he regains his form this season.
Hopeful is one thing. Expecting it should be quite another. As mentioned, no one has ever successfully come back from his surgery without further complication.
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Old 10-30-2013, 05:29 PM
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Oh, I agree, I am more high on Danks having a good bounce back season probably than anybody else on this board, I just don't think someone is going to come along and take him and his contract off our hands.
Agreed. Not after the season he had.
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Old 10-30-2013, 05:40 PM
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I think you missed a key part of that previous post by Chez. It doesn't say he pitched awful. It says he pitched awfully well.

Season stats (most of which came in August and September):
25 IP
11 H
4 BB (2 IBB)
28 K
1.75 ERA

So at the time it may have looked bad. At this time, it also looks bad.
Kenny's reasoning must have been based on having Addison Reed in the pipeline. Plus Sergio fell off the chart in September when he got tired. So what does Addison Reed do in September when he gets tired? (all together) He falls off the chart!

But those numbers for Sergio this September look great. (he wasn't tired)

One has to conclude that Kenny didn't maximize his return from those assets. On field management of the talent has to be blamed as well.
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