White Sox Interactive Forums
Talking Baseball

Welcome
Go Back   White Sox Interactive Forums > Baseball Discussions > Talking Baseball
Home Chat Stats Register Blogs FAQ Calendar Mark Forums Read


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #61  
Old 01-04-2014, 05:06 AM
HaroMaster87 HaroMaster87 is offline
WSI Regular
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: So Cal
Posts: 488
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by whitesoxfan1986 View Post
I honestly don't see how the BBWAA could keep the Big Hurt out of the HOF this year. He is one of 4 players in MLB history with a .300 career BA, 500 HR, 1600 RBI and 1600 BB. The others? Babe Ruth, Ted Williams and Mel Ott
Can we get this printed on the ballots so these genius' don't screw this up?? The Big Man going in first ballot is a no brainer...
Reply With Quote
  #62  
Old 01-04-2014, 11:15 AM
WhiteSox5187 WhiteSox5187 is offline
WSI Prelate
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Southside
Posts: 14,316
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by HaroMaster87 View Post
Can we get this printed on the ballots so these genius' don't screw this up?? The Big Man going in first ballot is a no brainer...
Based on the "returns" I have seen on the internet from writers who have made their ballot public, it looks like Frank is going to get in (along with Glavine and Maddux, maybe Biggio).
__________________

Go Sox!!!
Reply With Quote
  #63  
Old 01-04-2014, 04:45 PM
PaleHoser PaleHoser is offline
WSI Personality
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 942
Default

Glavine was listed on 97% of the submitted ballots?

I know it's a feel-good story to induct Bobby Cox, Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine together at once, but can a guy who wasn't even considered the #1 starter on his own team be a first-ballot Hall of Famer?

Before I get flamed, answer one question. Given the choice, would you want Tom Glavine or Randy Johnson as your left-handed starter for a must-win game?
__________________
"It's not the high price of stardom that bothers me...it's the high price of mediocrity." - Bill Veeck
Reply With Quote
  #64  
Old 01-04-2014, 04:57 PM
spawn's Avatar
spawn spawn is offline
Everybody's All-American
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: My Mother's Basement, Plainfield,Il.
Posts: 11,704
Blog Entries: 3
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by PaleHoser View Post
Glavine was listed on 97% of the submitted ballots?

I know it's a feel-good story to induct Bobby Cox, Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine together at once, but can a guy who wasn't even considered the #1 starter on his own team be a first-ballot Hall of Famer?

Before I get flamed, answer one question. Given the choice, would you want Tom Glavine or Randy Johnson as your left-handed starter for a must-win game?
Why would that even matter? Is not like this is a choice between Glavine and Johnson on the ballot. Glavine is a worthy HOFer. And the whole "is he a first ballot HOFer" argument is ridiculous IMO. Either you're a Hall of Famer, or you're not.
__________________


A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives- Jackie Robinson

www.twitter.com/Spawn_03
Reply With Quote
  #65  
Old 01-04-2014, 05:13 PM
A. Cavatica A. Cavatica is offline
WSI Church Elder
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 4,778
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DSpivack View Post
They're accurate barometers of popularity and that's about it.
Maybe the statheads can figure out a formula for adjusting All-Star voting for the size of the fan base. New York players always have a huge leg up on the competition.
Reply With Quote
  #66  
Old 01-04-2014, 10:49 PM
Vernam Vernam is offline
WSI Church Elder
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 2,267
Default

Glavine grew up in Boston, though we know reporters don't take such things into account.
Reply With Quote
  #67  
Old 01-06-2014, 10:57 AM
WhiteSox5187 WhiteSox5187 is offline
WSI Prelate
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Southside
Posts: 14,316
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by PaleHoser View Post
Glavine was listed on 97% of the submitted ballots?

I know it's a feel-good story to induct Bobby Cox, Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine together at once, but can a guy who wasn't even considered the #1 starter on his own team be a first-ballot Hall of Famer?

Before I get flamed, answer one question. Given the choice, would you want Tom Glavine or Randy Johnson as your left-handed starter for a must-win game?
He was the number one starter on their team for awhile before Maddux went to Atlanta.
Reply With Quote
  #68  
Old 01-06-2014, 11:14 AM
TaylorStSox TaylorStSox is offline
WSI Church Elder
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Washington & Talman
Posts: 4,222
Default

Glavine is a 300 game winner. He might be the last ever. /discussion
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by shoota
I'm not counting this homerun or his 3 RBI from today's game because of the game situation. I'm not counting his pinch hit solo homerun in a blowout win in Colorado. In my book, Crede has 2 less home runs than his statistics show, 4 less RBI, and one less walk (the one where he pinch hit for Uribe after coming in with a 3-0 count and taking one pitch).
Reply With Quote
  #69  
Old 01-06-2014, 12:12 PM
Chez's Avatar
Chez Chez is online now
WSI Church Elder
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Clarendon Hills
Posts: 4,507
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TaylorStSox View Post
Glavine is a 300 game winner. He might be the last ever. /discussion
IMO Glavine is a first ballot selection. But it's funny how certain milestone numbers seemingly guarantee HOF status. Bert Blyleven finished with 287 wins and it took him forever to get it. Jim Kaat had 283 and he's got no chance. Had Kaat averaged a mere three fourths of a win more per year during his long career he would have reached 300 wins and may have gotten in.

300 wins, 500 homers or 3000 hits (unless tainted by steroids) are numbers which punch your ticket to Cooperstown. Adam Dunn may be the first to break that mold.
Reply With Quote
  #70  
Old 01-06-2014, 12:16 PM
TaylorStSox TaylorStSox is offline
WSI Church Elder
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Washington & Talman
Posts: 4,222
Default

How many Cy Young's for Blyleven and Kaat?
Reply With Quote
  #71  
Old 01-06-2014, 12:45 PM
JohnTucker0814 JohnTucker0814 is offline
WSI Church Elder
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Davenport, Iowa
Posts: 3,762
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteSox5187 View Post
Based on the "returns" I have seen on the internet from writers who have made their ballot public, it looks like Frank is going to get in (along with Glavine and Maddux, maybe Biggio).
All you have to do is say, "is Frank Thomas better than Ron Santo?" If you're answer is YES... then he should be a HOFer!
Reply With Quote
  #72  
Old 01-06-2014, 12:52 PM
sox1970 sox1970 is offline
WSI High Priest
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 7,948
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TaylorStSox View Post
How many Cy Young's for Blyleven and Kaat?
They only awarded one Cy until 1967.

Kaat would have won the Cy in 1966. 25 wins. Led the league in innings.
Reply With Quote
  #73  
Old 01-06-2014, 12:55 PM
WhiteSox5187 WhiteSox5187 is offline
WSI Prelate
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Southside
Posts: 14,316
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TaylorStSox View Post
Glavine is a 300 game winner. He might be the last ever. /discussion
Randy Johnson won his 300th game two years after Glavine.
Reply With Quote
  #74  
Old 01-06-2014, 01:02 PM
Chez's Avatar
Chez Chez is online now
WSI Church Elder
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Clarendon Hills
Posts: 4,507
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TaylorStSox View Post
How many Cy Young's for Blyleven and Kaat?
I think you missed my point (or it was unclear). I'm not arguing that Kaat deserves to be in or that Kaat was better than Glavine. Had Kaat won 300 games -- even without a Cy Young Award to his credit -- he likely would have made it to the HOF because certain milestones (e.g. 300 wins) seem to be guaranteed ticket punchers to Cooperstown.

FWIW, both Don Sutton and Phil Neikro have over 300 wins and did not win a Cy Young Award. Both are members of the HOF. IMO as long as you reach the magic number, you're in the HOF. But if you get really, really close, but fall short (like Kaat), no guarantee you make it.
Reply With Quote
  #75  
Old 01-06-2014, 01:45 PM
TaylorStSox TaylorStSox is offline
WSI Church Elder
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Washington & Talman
Posts: 4,222
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chez View Post
I think you missed my point (or it was unclear). I'm not arguing that Kaat deserves to be in or that Kaat was better than Glavine. Had Kaat won 300 games -- even without a Cy Young Award to his credit -- he likely would have made it to the HOF because certain milestones (e.g. 300 wins) seem to be guaranteed ticket punchers to Cooperstown.

FWIW, both Don Sutton and Phil Neikro have over 300 wins and did not win a Cy Young Award. Both are members of the HOF. IMO as long as you reach the magic number, you're in the HOF. But if you get really, really close, but fall short (like Kaat), no guarantee you make it.
I misunderstood. I thought you were saying that's the only reason Glavine was first ballot. You're right though, 300 is a lock.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



Forum Jump




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:59 AM.




Design by: Michelle

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Site-specific editorial/photos Copyright ©2001 - 2008 White Sox Interactive. All rights reserved.