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Old 04-25-2014, 12:06 PM
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Nolan Ryan is not a good example to use, I'm not saying he used roids but if there was a way to find out the truth, I would bet everything I own, that he did use. Plus in the past 35 years, Ryan was injured in 1982, 1983, and 1986 along with 1992 and 1993. Mark Buehrle says Bye.
He still pitched 200 innings in 1990 at the age of 43.

That's pretty durable.

I get that we like Mark Buehrle because he was on the Sox, but come on now folks, let's not be ridiculous.
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Old 04-25-2014, 12:12 PM
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He still pitched 200 innings in 1990 at the age of 43.

That's pretty durable.

I get that we like Mark Buehrle because he was on the Sox, but come on now folks, let's not be ridiculous.
Roger Clemens pitched 200 innings at age 42.
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Old 04-25-2014, 12:20 PM
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Nolan Ryan is not a good example to use, I'm not saying he used roids but if there was a way to find out the truth, I would bet everything I own, that he did use. Plus in the past 35 years, Ryan was injured in 1982, 1983, and 1986 along with 1992 and 1993. Mark Buehrle says Bye.
Actually, I think you just said that you do think Nolan Ryan used PED's. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but there's as much evidence connecting Ryan to steroids as there is connecting Buehrle to steroids -- NONE.

I love Buehrle, but c'mon.
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Old 04-25-2014, 12:48 PM
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Actually, I think you just said that you do think Nolan Ryan used PED's. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but there's as much evidence connecting Ryan to steroids as there is connecting Buehrle to steroids -- NONE.

I love Buehrle, but c'mon.
Well I admit, I have no proof about Ryan but I still think during Ryans 1978-1993 years, Buehrle was more durable than him. Overall career Ryan does beat him out.
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Old 04-25-2014, 03:07 PM
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I see in my break from this thread we now have Buehrle being mentioned in the same breath as Ryan and Clemens.

If Mark Buehrle had never pitched for the White Sox, the notion of him being a HOF-worthy player to the folks who think he is would be laughable.
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Old 04-25-2014, 04:16 PM
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The single most amazing thing about Buehrle is with all of those 200 IP seasons, he has not spent so much as a day on the DL as far as I can recall.

Is there any pitcher in the last 20 years who pitched at least a dozen full seasons as a starter who can say that?
Greg Maddux had a stretch of 18 of 19 seasons over 200 IP. The year he didn't - 199.
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Old 04-25-2014, 04:48 PM
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Greg Maddux had a stretch of 18 of 19 seasons over 200 IP. The year he didn't - 199.
I think he got 199 during a strike year too.
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Old 04-25-2014, 04:55 PM
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I see in my break from this thread we now have Buehrle being mentioned in the same breath as Ryan and Clemens.

If Mark Buehrle had never pitched for the White Sox, the notion of him being a HOF-worthy player to the folks who think he is would be laughable.
Well Nolan Ryan was pretty overrated. Buehrle has had 3 seasons with era plus over 130, Nolan Ryan has only had 4. Plus Ryan had a whip which is kind of the benchmark for pitchers which was pretty bad while playing in pitchers parks and for the most part during a pitchers era. I know Buehrle isn't as good as Ryan but I don't think Ryan and Buehrle will be too far off when Buehrle does retire as long as he has 2-3 more good seasons. Currently I have Ryan as the 23rd best pitcher of all time. Buehrle can possibly make my top 40.

Clemens is in my top 10, he's number 2 with no ped discount.
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Old 04-25-2014, 10:12 PM
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Toronto IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Buehrle(L, 4-1) 5.1 12 7 6 3 0 1 2.16

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Old 04-25-2014, 10:27 PM
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Toronto IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Buehrle(L, 4-1) 5.1 12 7 6 3 0 1 2.16

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Yep he had a decent first inning but at least he got 5.1 innings in. I didn't think he'd get this roughed up though. His war will probably drop down to around 1.2 for the season because of this.
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Old 05-07-2014, 09:25 PM
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Beat Cliff Lee tonight. Pitched a very good game tonight too.
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Old 05-07-2014, 11:21 PM
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Beat Cliff Lee tonight. Pitched a very good game tonight too.
If no Sox pitcher wins it (with Sale out, no real shot), I want MB's stats to be as gaudy as they can be so he can get a Cy Young award. Adding one of those would really bolster his resume. He has a lot of work to do over the next 3-4 years to have a real shot at it.
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Old 05-07-2014, 11:48 PM
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Old 05-07-2014, 11:54 PM
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I would love to see him back, but I can't see JR authorizing that kind of money. Jays would have to eat a fair chunk of that contract the next two years. Meanwhile a team like the Yankees would simply laugh and say, "fine, send him over."
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Old 05-08-2014, 12:35 AM
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I hope he wins 20+ games and the Cy Young this year too. Though I wonder if that happened, would it lead him to want to retire sooner?
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