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Old 06-06-2014, 07:59 AM
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Dr James Andrews should actually get in at some point.

In the interest of giving credit where credit is due, it was Dr. Frank Jobe who did the surgery on Tommy John and pioneered the procedure now known as "Tommy John Surgery." That's not meant to diminish Dr. Andrews' contributions.
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Old 06-06-2014, 10:10 AM
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I'm surprised you think Tommy John is more of a Hall of Famer than Blyleven. I'll admit, I never thought of Blyleven as a Hall of Famer until after he was elected but when I look at his stats, I have him as a top 20 pitcher of all time. I think he had 60 shutouts and I know he had tons of 1-0, 2-1 type losses in his career.

The fact that Blyleven got in is very telling of how voters have already started to look at advanced stats as a measure for pitchers. This will only help Buehrle in later years too.
I agree with you that Blyleven is more hall worthy than Tommy John. In fact, it isn't even close. I tried to make the argument that advanced stats idolatry will change HOF voting habits in the future and it didn't go well. Speaking of those so called "advanced stats" I was just going over Whitey Ford's "advanced stats" and it seems to me he got a royal screwing. You look at his black ink, gray ink, HOF monitor and HOF standards numbers on baseball-reference and they are in contrast with his WAR and JAWS. The more I look into it the less impressed I get with the whole saber thing. I know that is sacrilege.
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Old 06-06-2014, 10:17 AM
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I'm surprised you think Tommy John is more of a Hall of Famer than Blyleven.
Circle whichever one you think is the better HOFer.
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Old 06-06-2014, 04:06 PM
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300 wins and Mark Buehrle is guaranteed HOF. Agreed?

He is now averaging 14-15 wins a season. He would have to pitch at age 42 in 2021 which is very possible. Could go down 41 if he continues to pitch for awhile at his 2014 pace.

Or he could retire early. Lol. Up to MB.
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Old 06-06-2014, 04:50 PM
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300 wins and Mark Buehrle is guaranteed HOF. Agreed?
Yes there is just no way he is going to get there
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Old 06-06-2014, 06:25 PM
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300 wins and Mark Buehrle is guaranteed HOF. Agreed?

He is now averaging 14-15 wins a season. He would have to pitch at age 42 in 2021 which is very possible. Could go down 41 if he continues to pitch for awhile at his 2014 pace.

Or he could retire early. Lol. Up to MB.
Maybe he'll pitch til 55.

Give it up.
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Old 06-06-2014, 06:31 PM
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Circle whichever one you think is the better HOFer.
I don't want to turn this into a Blyleven vs Tommy John thread, but if there is a argument on why Tommy John is better, I would like to hear it....I really hope it's not because of Tommy John having 288 career wins to Blylevens 287 career wins.
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Old 06-06-2014, 07:37 PM
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Maybe he'll pitch til 55.

Give it up.
I don't think there's any reason to think Buehrle can't pitch to 40+. He's got such an easy consistent motion and he doesn't rely on anything that will tax his arm to a significant degree. He is one of those guys who could pitch much longer than average players do. In fact though I doubt he pitches that long Jaime Moyer is a great comparison because he was a soft tossing lefty with an easy motion who relied on speed change and sink to get people out. 42 is not out of the question for MB, but 40 should be fairly easy for him to get to if he wants.
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Old 06-06-2014, 08:22 PM
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Buehrle vs the Cardinals tomorrow at noon on MLB Network.
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Old 06-06-2014, 09:02 PM
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I'd be shocked if he pitched well vs the Cardinals tomorrow. Allen Craig and Matt Holliday are starting to heat up.
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Old 06-07-2014, 02:33 PM
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7 innings 1 earned run but 5 walks. Not a bad day though
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7 innings 1 earned run but 5 walks. Not a bad day though
He'll take the loss because of the solo shot, but he'll lower his ERA.
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Buehrle signed with the Marlins as a free agent before the 2012 season for four years, $58 million, an offer the Sox had a chance to match. Buehrle said he had felt like Chicago was home. "They just kind of (said), 'See you later, take off,'" Buehrle said.

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Assuming Mark Buehrle reaches 200 innings this year, he will be in some pretty good company. Longest 200 innings streaks alltime.

1. Cy Young 19, HOF
2. Warren Spahn 17, HOF
3. Don Sutton 15, HOF
4. Gaylord Perry 15, HOF
5. Greg Maddux 14...he came 2 outs away from doing it 19 straight. HOF this year
6. Phil Niekro 14....1981 strike probably cost him 20 straight years. HOF
7. Christy Mathewson 14, HOF
8. Steve Carlton 13, HOF
9. Pud Galvin 13, HOF
10. Bobo Newsome 13, 51.7 war in 20 seasons. Buehrle is already at 54.9 in 14 seasons.
11. Kid Nichols 13, HOF
12. Eddie Plank 13, HOF
13. Jack Powell 13....a pitcher from the early 20th century. He gets mentioned for the hall of fame from some. 56.0 career war.
14. Red Ruffing 13, HOF
15. Tom Seaver 13, HOF
16. Vic Willis 13, HOF
17. Mark Buehrle 13 ???

The only other pitcher with a streak over 10 years, whose career ended after 1980 is Frank Viola with 10. If Buehrle reaches 15 straight seasons then it will be very hard to ignore him for the Hall of Fame.
He has a great shot of making it 14 straight 200 inning seasons.
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