White Sox Interactive Forums
Minor Observations

Welcome
Go Back   White Sox Interactive Forums > Baseball Discussions > Minor Observations
Home Chat Stats Register Blogs FAQ Calendar Mark Forums Read


Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #91  
Old 03-01-2018, 10:28 AM
guillensdisciple guillensdisciple is online now
WSI Prelate
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 17,771
Default

Defensively, he is exceptionally poor, but Zavala should be someone we watch out for offensively. Dude has a smooth bat.
__________________
http://arsenalist.com/video/?id=xh2dx6

Greatest Arsenal goal I have ever witnessed. Chills to this day watching it.
  #92  
Old 03-01-2018, 10:39 AM
LoveYourSuit LoveYourSuit is offline
WSI Prelate
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 14,997
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeFish View Post
I'm trying to think critically about the claim that the White Sox should be good in 2020 - 2021. What is the basis for this common belief?

From what I can tell, the Sox have seven starting pitchers who have a chance of being both (a) good in 2020 - 2021, and (b) on the White Sox starting roster in 2020 - 2021. These seven guys are Kopech, Hansen, Dunning, Giolito, Lopez, Fullmer, and Rodon. The White Sox need about 3-4 of these guys to work out and form the core of a starting rotation. That's not an outlandish proposition.

The case for the 2020 Sox being good looks much weaker when you look at position players.

Moncada, Eloy, and Robert are widely believed to have strong MLB futures. That is a third of a lineup. The Sox have a gazillion A-ball outfield prospects, and it seems not outlandish that one of them will be good enough to prowl Left Field alongside Eloy and Robert.

Tim Anderson could be a defense-first, 9th-hole shortstop serviceable at the major league level. He could be a guy who provides some magic if he has a career year that coincides with a playoff run. He could also be washed out of MLB entirely by 2020. I guess Yolmer falls into a similar category. Yolmer could be a Juan Uribe type player.

It is far from clear that the 2020 Sox will have good players at catcher, first base, third base, shortstop, or DH. Collins seems to be in decline and, well, I don't have to provide the pessimism about Burger, others are providing plenty of that.

If you believe the Sox will have 3 Allstar Level core players on both Offense and Pitching then hell yeah there is no reason to not be optimistic about 2020.


That's what it takes to be a contender. The rest around that can all be fillers and I think the Sox have plenty of prospects just for that along with $ available to spend on pressing needs.
  #93  
Old 03-01-2018, 11:12 AM
DonnieDarko DonnieDarko is offline
WSI Church Elder
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: North side, 60618
Posts: 2,600
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by guillensdisciple View Post
Defensively, he is exceptionally poor, but Zavala should be someone we watch out for offensively. Dude has a smooth bat.
Yeah, but if he can't stick at C because of his defense, where the heck do you play him? DH/1B is going to be two of Abreu, Delmonico, Burger, and Jimenez. And that doesn't count the next level of players like Gillespie and Sheets. This situation especially becomes a problem in my mind if Collins' defense also stays poor, or he washes out entirely.

It seems to me that, while the Sox are deep at catcher, they're only deep in so far as much as bat-first catchers, not so much with guys that can handle the other demands of the position.
__________________

2014 PtC Score: 1

Last edited by DonnieDarko; 03-01-2018 at 11:18 AM.
  #94  
Old 03-01-2018, 03:53 PM
MrX MrX is online now
Co-Winner WSI 2016 NFL Pick'em contest
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: New Lenox, IL
Posts: 5,177
Default

Jon Heyman tweet

Quote:
Scouts are absolutely raving about chisox prospect Luis Robert. That team has more 4-star prospects than anyone. (Yanks, padres, braves just behind)
  #95  
Old 03-01-2018, 07:51 PM
Hitmen77 Hitmen77 is offline
WSI Prelate
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 12,661
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeFish View Post
I'm trying to think critically about the claim that the White Sox should be good in 2020 - 2021. What is the basis for this common belief?

From what I can tell, the Sox have seven starting pitchers who have a chance of being both (a) good in 2020 - 2021, and (b) on the White Sox starting roster in 2020 - 2021. These seven guys are Kopech, Hansen, Dunning, Giolito, Lopez, Fullmer, and Rodon. The White Sox need about 3-4 of these guys to work out and form the core of a starting rotation. That's not an outlandish proposition.

The case for the 2020 Sox being good looks much weaker when you look at position players.

Moncada, Eloy, and Robert are widely believed to have strong MLB futures. That is a third of a lineup. The Sox have a gazillion A-ball outfield prospects, and it seems not outlandish that one of them will be good enough to prowl Left Field alongside Eloy and Robert.

Tim Anderson could be a defense-first, 9th-hole shortstop serviceable at the major league level. He could be a guy who provides some magic if he has a career year that coincides with a playoff run. He could also be washed out of MLB entirely by 2020. I guess Yolmer falls into a similar category. Yolmer could be a Juan Uribe type player.

It is far from clear that the 2020 Sox will have good players at catcher, first base, third base, shortstop, or DH. Collins seems to be in decline and, well, I don't have to provide the pessimism about Burger, others are providing plenty of that.
Good question. Here's my taken on looking forward to the next few years: If the Sox can fill their entire starting rotation from within with high quality pitchers among the players you mentioned about plus have Moncado, Jimenez, and Robert play All-Star level baseball, then that's an awesome core to build a winning team around.

I think Anderson will be fine at SS. He may never be an all-star, but he started turning things around in the 2nd half last year and I'm confident that he'll serve as a good SS for us. When Burger comes back, and I expect him to with his explosive bat, if he can't stick at 3rd, then I expect him to be our 1B of the future - though he may not be MLB-ready by 2020 at this point.

Collins is far from a sure thing, but I wouldn't count him out just because of his numbers in 2017. Not every MLB regular takes a linear path through the minors without any struggles. I'm very interested in seeing how he does this year.

Don't forget Cease and Burdi in our list of talented pitching prospects. They could help solidify our bullpen in a few years.

Also, keep in mind that all the talent mentioned above will be cost-controlled for years to come. The Sox will have plenty of payroll flexibility to acquire additional talent where necessary via free agency.

Finally, let's not forget that the Sox have the #4 overall pick in upcoming draft. We may get another good prospect or two this June.

Quote:
Originally Posted by blurry View Post
Pitchers can be traded and free agents can be signed.

Thus, holes can be plugged (hopefully).
Yep, if all this pitching talent pans out, some of them could be a valuable trading chip to fill other holes.

Last edited by Hitmen77; 03-02-2018 at 01:01 PM.
  #96  
Old 03-01-2018, 11:21 PM
guillensdisciple guillensdisciple is online now
WSI Prelate
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 17,771
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrX View Post
Jon Heyman tweet
Thatís just from two weeks. Everything I have read says he looks like he is ready now or just about to be. He is an athletic freak, and thatís saying something for a team full of them. I kind of thought he was crazy when he said he envisioned himself playing in the bigs this year, and I know he wonít touch the bigs, but he is doing now what he did in the Dominican last year: going deep into counts, walking, stealing, and making hard contact.
  #97  
Old 03-02-2018, 12:17 PM
guillensdisciple guillensdisciple is online now
WSI Prelate
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 17,771
Default

Is Rutherford in our spring training roster?
  #98  
Old 03-02-2018, 01:12 PM
Hitmen77 Hitmen77 is offline
WSI Prelate
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 12,661
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by guillensdisciple View Post
Is Rutherford in our spring training roster?
His name isn't listed in this article about non-roster invitees:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...122-story.html
  #99  
Old 03-03-2018, 08:57 AM
TomBradley72 TomBradley72 is offline
WSI High Priest
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Antioch, IL
Posts: 6,872
Default

Took a look at how the White Sox "Top 10" prospects list looks if you exclude prospects acquired via trades from other teams.

(X)= overall ranking among all WSox prospects.

It's a pretty thin group- even thinner if you used "drafted" players only (Bummer and I. Hamilton then slide into the #9 and #10 slots)- with injuries currently impacting 3 of the top 8 (top 6 drafted prospects). IMHO- they need to do really well in this year's draft to prove they can do more than trade top talent for top prospects- and have a sustain-ably high quality farm system.

1. Robert (3)
2. Hansen (4)
3. Burger (8)- DL
4. Collins (9)
5. Fulmer (10)
6. Adolfo (11)- DH Only
7. Sheets (12)
8. Burdi (13)- DL
9. Adams (15)
10. Gonzalez (19)
__________________
TomBradley72
http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/334c0314
Players that are an important part of the rebuild:
Anderson, Giolito, Lopez, Moncada
  #100  
Old 03-03-2018, 09:45 AM
blurry blurry is offline
WSI Regular
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 472
Default

The jury is still out whether or not they can build a good farm system through the draft but many experts have said they've done a good job so far. Keep in mind the draft is a crapshoot for the most part and they've only recently revamped their minor league system leadership. Change doesn't happen overnight with the White Sox; it takes years for them to acknowledge they need to do something differently. It's the way Reinsdorf as always worked.
  #101  
Old 03-03-2018, 11:03 AM
TomBradley72 TomBradley72 is offline
WSI High Priest
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Antioch, IL
Posts: 6,872
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by blurry View Post
The jury is still out whether or not they can build a good farm system through the draft but many experts have said they've done a good job so far. Keep in mind the draft is a crapshoot for the most part and they've only recently revamped their minor league system leadership. Change doesn't happen overnight with the White Sox; it takes years for them to acknowledge they need to do something differently. It's the way Reinsdorf as always worked.
Big years for Fulmer and Collins- IF Fulmer looks like a solid #4/5 rotation guy- I'll be happy, along with Collins getting to AAA this year and looking to be a step away from the bigs- at the plate and behind it.
  #102  
Old 03-12-2018, 08:16 PM
Hitmen77 Hitmen77 is offline
WSI Prelate
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 12,661
Default

NBC Sports Chicago will broadcast 17 Charlotte Knights games this season:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...312-story.html
  #103  
Old 03-13-2018, 12:40 AM
guillensdisciple guillensdisciple is online now
WSI Prelate
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 17,771
Default

A little confused as to why the Sox quickly shifted Hansen to the minors while keeping Cease up here.
  #104  
Old 03-13-2018, 12:47 AM
ChiSoxNationPres ChiSoxNationPres is online now
WSI Personality
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Chicago
Posts: 854
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by guillensdisciple View Post
A little confused as to why the Sox quickly shifted Hansen to the minors while keeping Cease up here.
Hansen had some forearm tightness so they moved him down. All tests were negative and they aren't worried about it.
  #105  
Old 03-25-2018, 10:42 AM
Tragg Tragg is online now
WSI Prelate
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Gonzales LA
Posts: 15,059
Blog Entries: 2
Default

Goodbye and good luck to Robinson Leyer, one of my favorite obscure prospects. He's been traded to the Reds, although I don't know what, if anything, is the return.
He struck out a lot of hitters, but never harnessed the control.
Closed Thread


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



Forum Jump




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:45 PM.




Design by: Michelle

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Site-specific editorial/photos Copyright ©2001 - 2008 White Sox Interactive. All rights reserved.