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Old 06-10-2018, 05:02 PM
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Saw recently where Casey Gillespie had a three run walk off to win a game.
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Old 06-10-2018, 05:18 PM
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Question: Once Nick Madrigal and Steele Walker sign, where do people think they'll be ranked among Sox prospects? Is it a given that Madrigal will be in the Sox top 10? Top 5? Would Walker be among the top 30?

....and, yes, I know rankings are somewhat arbitrary. I was just curious as to how they generally would rank compared to the existing top prospects.
I think Madrigal is easily in the Sox Top 5. MLB Pipeline writers indicated he would be the #35 prospect in their Top 100. He was also their #3 ranked draft-eligible player, so no more than two other draftees should outrank him.

There will obviously be a lot of movement based on first half performances, and it depends on how much Robertís injury and not playing cost him in the rankings.

I think Madrigal is either #3 or #4 for the Sox, behind Eloy and Kopech, and right there with Robert. Iíd rank them this way:

Top Ten: Eloy, Kopech

Top 40: Madrigal (higher floor), Robert (higher ceiling)

Top 100: Hansen, Cease, Dunning, Rutherford, Collins (no particular order)

Top 200: Burger, Adolfo, Sheets, Walker, Basabe, Gonzalez, Stephens, Zavala (no particular order)
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Old 06-10-2018, 06:23 PM
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And another thing about Madrigal as well as the state of our system...


Ever since the rebuild (arguably, the point of this is not to quibble over semantics and dates) began, our very best prospects have been those we acquired from other organizations (Moncada, Eloy, Kopech, Giolito, Lopez), or signed internationally (Robert). Madrigal will be the most highly rated player we have drafted since Rodon.


The big criticism against the Sox was that none of their home grown players were up in the top echelon of MLB prospects. Madrigal shows that the Sox know how to take advantage of a high draft position - you draft the best player available. The fact that the Sox had Madrigal ranked just about where every other prospect rating site/service had him ranked, shows that the Sox scouts aren't smoking crack.


Between Madrigal's entry into our system, along with Collins really hitting well this year even after a rough start (and it looking like he may stick behind the plate), means that the "draft and develop" part of our organization is starting to work with some (at least initially) promising results.


There are lots of ways the Sox could deal with a "log jam" in the middle infield in 2020 or 2021, but one such way could mean that their entire "up the middle" might be both home-grown and of high quality: Collins, Anderson/Madrigal, Robert.
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Old 06-11-2018, 07:49 AM
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Any word on Hansen, or is the assumption that he is going to miss the entire season?

Also, Robert is quietly beginning to pick up the pace at Kanny.
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Old 06-11-2018, 09:09 AM
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Any word on Hansen, or is the assumption that he is going to miss the entire season?

Also, Robert is quietly beginning to pick up the pace at Kanny.
And so is Adams. He's been outstanding his last three starts. This is really encouraging since he's still young for AA.
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Old 06-11-2018, 09:52 AM
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And so is Adams. He's been outstanding his last three starts. This is really encouraging since he's still young for AA.
1 ER over his last 3 starts, 21 IP. 13 hits, 15 K's with 3 BBs.

Still only 22 yo at AA- has this kid turned the corner?
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Old 06-11-2018, 09:58 AM
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The big criticism against the Sox was that none of their home grown players were up in the top echelon of MLB prospects. Madrigal shows that the Sox know how to take advantage of a high draft position - you draft the best player available. The fact that the Sox had Madrigal ranked just about where every other prospect rating site/service had him ranked, shows that the Sox scouts aren't smoking crack.
When you have a top 5 draft pick, you are getting a layup. It's what happens when you stop getting those high picks. If they don't improve their overall drafting, they'll end up like the Royals after they won; or themselves after 2008.
It looks like they are doing better though We'll find out soon enough
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Old 06-11-2018, 10:29 AM
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Any word on Hansen, or is the assumption that he is going to miss the entire season?

I haven't heard a word about him since it was reported maybe 2 or 3 weeks ago that we was heading to extended spring training to build up arm strength. I believe extended spring training wraps up this week. So, if we still hear nothing about him being ready to join a minor league club's roster, then you have to wonder what's really up with his arm injury.
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Old 06-11-2018, 10:36 AM
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When you have a top 5 draft pick, you are getting a layup. It's what happens when you stop getting those high picks. If they don't improve their overall drafting, they'll end up like the Royals after they won; or themselves after 2008.
It looks like they are doing better though We'll find out soon enough

I hope they're also able to get some successful picks beyond the first round, too.
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Old 06-11-2018, 11:13 AM
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I hope they're also able to get some successful picks beyond the first round, too.

Unfortunately it's very unlikely. Picks in the second round have a little better than a 50/50 chance of ever seeing the major leagues much less being successful. Once you get to the third round you're better off trying to trade those players in the future than hoping they develop.
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Old 06-11-2018, 11:35 AM
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Fangraphs jumps in quickly with it's post draft top 131 prospect rankings. Sox land 9 on the list with Collins being the biggest climber and Hansen taking the biggest drop.

4. Jimenez (+2)
15. Kopech (+5)
17. Robert (+4)
33. Madrigal (New)
75. Collins (+16)
86. Adolfo (New)
91. Dunning (New)
111. Burdi (-22)
113. Hansen (-41)
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Old 06-11-2018, 12:28 PM
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Fangraphs jumps in quickly with it's post draft top 131 prospect rankings. Sox land 9 on the list with Collins being the biggest climber and Hansen taking the biggest drop.

4. Jimenez (+2)
15. Kopech (+5)
17. Robert (+4)
33. Madrigal (New)
75. Collins (+16)
86. Adolfo (New)
91. Dunning (New)
111. Burdi (-22)
113. Hansen (-41)

-Interesting they left off Cease.
-Can understand why Rutherford/Burger would fall off.
-Thats some serious helium for Adolfo and Collins. Good to see.
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Old 06-11-2018, 01:07 PM
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-Interesting they left off Cease.
-Can understand why Rutherford/Burger would fall off.
-Thats some serious helium for Adolfo and Collins. Good to see.
Yeah, seriously, no Cease? I can argue he's our best pitching prospect down there. Even better than Kopech.

Interesting.
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Old 06-11-2018, 01:59 PM
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I guess they're not thinking that he's going to be a starter? *shrug*
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Old 06-11-2018, 02:33 PM
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I guess they're not thinking that he's going to be a starter? *shrug*

Fangraphs goes by future value. They believe Cease to be injury prone and behind the development curve.
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