Is Adam Dunn the Worst Free Agent Signing in White Sox History?

[RKMeibalane]

Originally Posted by waldo_the_wolf

Another bad part of the Jaime Navarro signing was the Sox chose him over Roger Clemens. True, it was the washed-up, pre-steroid Roger Clemens but still.

"My daughter is the future."

[vinny]

Originally Posted by TDog

He hit home runs, which was what people noticed because he hadn't done that before, but he set a new American League record for strikeouts. He led the league in walks, but I read where he was called out on strikes as many times as he walked, although I find that hard to believe.

Yeah, that part is not true. I pulled his retrosheet data for last season:

169 Ks swinging (including foul tips)
53 Ks called
105 walks (3 intentional)

But I'm starting to wonder if 2012 was an aberration for Dunn in the AL, rather than 2011...

[getonbckthr]

Originally Posted by vinny

Yeah, that part is not true. I pulled his retrosheet data for last season:

169 Ks swinging (including foul tips)
53 Ks called
105 walks (3 intentional)

But I'm starting to wonder if 2012 was an aberration for Dunn in the AL, rather than 2011...

Thru 12 games...

[TDog]

Originally Posted by MISoxfan

You are better off watching the games and then searching for stats to support what you saw? Seriously?

Seriously. Watch the game.

Stats are only meaningful in an argument if you are using them to argue something that you can see is true. If you are using stats to argue something that you can see is clearly untrue, if you are using to argue that Dunn was a good offensive player last season, all you are proving is that statistics can lie.

If you say Dunn's numbers really weren't so bad last year, you weren't paying attention to the game and were looking at the wrong numbers because there are plenty of numbers that will tell you he was a bad offensive player last season.

[blandman]

Originally Posted by TDog

Seriously. Watch the game.

Stats are only meaningful in an argument if you are using them to argue something that you can see is true. If you are using stats to argue something that you can see is clearly untrue, if you are using to argue that Dunn was a good offensive player last season, all you are proving is that statistics can lie.

If you say Dunn's numbers really weren't so bad last year, you weren't paying attention to the game and were looking at the wrong numbers because there are plenty of numbers that will tell you he was a bad offensive player last season.

Um...what?

Stats are unbiased. Your eyes (seemingly especially your eyes) are most certainly biased.

[RKMeibalane]

Originally Posted by blandman

Um...what?

Stats are unbiased. Your eyes (seemingly especially your eyes) are most certainly biased.

Which is why you use statistics to confirm what you believe your eyes are seeing. TDog is saying that watching last season's game gave him the impression that Dunn wasn't playing well, and his numbers supported that assessment.

[PeteWard]

Originally Posted by Noneck

Bloombergs 9th inning homer in the 9th on opening day 1978 made me forget about Zisk and Gamble for 1 day.

Me too. I ditched school to go!

[PeteWard]

Was Bobby Bonds a free agent? Either way I detested him and hated it when the Sox got him.

[eastchicagosoxfan]

I voted Dunn over Navarro. I only had to put up with Navarro every fifth day. Dante would have written about another level of Hell had he watched Dunn play on a daily basis. When I played pick up games as a kid, there was always one kid that was an automatic out. Dunn reminds me of that kid.

[LITTLE NELL]

Originally Posted by PeteWard

Was Bobby Bonds a free agent? Either way I detested him and hated it when the Sox got him.

Got him in a trade from the Angels for Brian Downing and a couple of pitchers in December of 1977. We also picked up Richard Dotson and Thad Bosley in that trade. Bonds was gone by the end of June of 1978.

[TomBradley72]

Originally Posted by vinny

Yeah, that part is not true. I pulled his retrosheet data for last season:

169 Ks swinging (including foul tips)
53 Ks called
105 walks (3 intentional)

But I'm starting to wonder if 2012 was an aberration for Dunn in the AL, rather than 2011...

2012:

April- .231
May- .230
June- .181
July- .211
August- .176
Sept- .200

2013:

April- .136

Not all of 2012- just April/May- then for the past 4.5 months of regular season baseball- back to 2011-

[TomBradley72]

Originally Posted by peteward

me too. I ditched school to go!

+1

[Lip Man 1]

Nell:

Bonds was gone by May. The Sox started so poorly Veeck realized there was no way in hell he was going to re-sign him. Only played in 26 games with the Sox.

Lip

[SI1020]

Originally Posted by blandman

Um...what?

Stats are unbiased. Your eyes (seemingly especially your eyes) are most certainly biased.

That's the bean counter method that has stifled or buried countless businesses. Besides no one agrees on what the numbers mean anymore. It was argued here that the great increase in HRs during the "steroid era" was due to the ball and not any chemical help. I prefer my own evaluations over anybody's new dogma.

[SI1020]

Originally Posted by PeteWard

Me too. I ditched school to go!

For a day you could dream that there would be a carry over from the previous year. It didn't happen. They were awful the next three years.