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Old 12-09-2019, 03:56 PM
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Cole might get an 8th year and/or $300M at this point. Strasburg just shot Cole's price way up.

I know he wouldn't have signed here but man, Wheeler to the White Sox would've been really nice. I still don't want Bumgarner for $100 million.
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Old 12-09-2019, 03:59 PM
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Cole might get an 8th year and/or $300M at this point. Strasburg just shot Cole's price way up.

I know he wouldn't have signed here but man, Wheeler to the White Sox would've been really nice. I still don't want Bumgarner for $100 million.
He would have, we just didn't offer him anywhere close to an appropriate salary to get him to look at us. It's easy to say "he went with family and we offered more", but the reality is we need to over offer to get people to come here and with Wheeler we did not.

The union would eat a guy alive for taking a $30 million hometown discount. Ultimately, the "he wouldn't come here" argument doesn't play unless it's that kind of situation. But we won't know, because we didn't offer enough money to sign him. People will point to $120 million and say "that's a lot of money". But the truth is for this guy, and with our situation, it's not a serious offer. Because it's not an offer that he'd ever accept from us.
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Old 12-09-2019, 04:14 PM
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If they're not all in on Cole at this point, they don't deserve to win.
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Old 12-09-2019, 04:18 PM
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If they're not all in on Cole at this point, they don't deserve to win.
Even if they were to go ďall in,Ē the ďallĒ would not be nearly enough.

I would not have paid Strasburg that 7/$245, and Cole will cruise by that. Weíre not running a luxury tax payroll. Pitchers are too volatile to guarantee them $200+ in free agency if you are unable to spend $50+ on a viable replacement at a momentís notice.
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Old 12-09-2019, 04:27 PM
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Even if they were to go ďall in,Ē the ďallĒ would not be nearly enough.

I would not have paid Strasburg that 7/$245, and Cole will cruise by that. Weíre not running a luxury tax payroll. Pitchers are too volatile to guarantee them $200+ in free agency if you are unable to spend $50+ on a viable replacement at a momentís notice.
Then this team should finally act like it plays in a top 3 market. You have to take risks with the top available pitchers. Cole might be a Max Scherzer or he might be a Barry Zito, but just trying does pay off in tickets and jersey sales. Owners averse to (reasonable) risk historically do not consistently win.
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Old 12-09-2019, 04:30 PM
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Then this team should finally act like it plays in a top 3 market. You have to take risks with the top available pitchers. Cole might be a Max Scherzer or he might be a Barry Zito, but just trying does pay off in tickets and jersey sales. Owners averse to (reasonable) risk historically do not consistently win.
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Old 12-09-2019, 04:43 PM
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Then this team should finally act like it plays in a top 3 market. You have to take risks with the top available pitchers. Cole might be a Max Scherzer or he might be a Barry Zito, but just trying does pay off in tickets and jersey sales. Owners averse to (reasonable) risk historically do not consistently win.
Doesn't matter what market you play in when you only have maybe 25% of that city that are fans of you.
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Doesn't matter what market you play in when you only have maybe 25% of that city that are fans of you.
And it's mostly your own fault.
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Old 12-09-2019, 05:11 PM
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Serious question: Given what Wheeler and Strausburg got, should the Sox offer Cole 8 years/$300M?
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Old 12-09-2019, 05:12 PM
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If they're not all in on Cole at this point, they don't deserve to win.
So, if they don’t give $40M per to a guy on a deal that carries well into his late 30s, they don’t deserve to win? Gotcha

I don’t think we even have a prayer there and it’s not even in our control. He wants to play in SoCal but is listening to the Yankees armored car backing up to his front door in attempt to sway him.
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Old 12-09-2019, 05:26 PM
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Serious question: Given what Wheeler and Strausburg got, should the Sox offer Cole 8 years/$300M?
Sure. But he ain't coming here, anyway.
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Old 12-09-2019, 05:29 PM
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Sure. But he ain't coming here, anyway.
I donít disagree. What do you think will get him to come here?
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Old 12-09-2019, 05:39 PM
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Cubs and Phillies have reportedly talked about a Kris Bryant trade.
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Old 12-09-2019, 06:41 PM
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So, if they donít give $40M per to a guy on a deal that carries well into his late 30s, they donít deserve to win? Gotcha

I donít think we even have a prayer there and itís not even in our control. He wants to play in SoCal but is listening to the Yankees armored car backing up to his front door in attempt to sway him.

Yes? Rebuilds are fickle things. You need to supplement with high level talent where you're deficient. Especially when you're deficient in what's largely the most important role on the team. He's the last chance for that.


It's moot. The reports from the Winter meetings are that we're only engaging in one pitcher - Dallas Keuchel.


This team might win some divisions, but we're locking ourselves into being the Twins. We'll never win it all.
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Old 12-09-2019, 06:42 PM
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The Cubs said they are flat broke for 2020 free agency.

It makes sense that a broke team is looking in the bargain bin with us. **** this ownership.
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