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Old 01-02-2020, 03:31 PM
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It's nice to see what happens when $300,000,000 is not tied up with one player.

Hahn is on fire this offseason!
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Old 01-02-2020, 03:32 PM
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Am I wrong to be be concerned that he has never had an AB in a major league game?
Nah - It's a risk, for sure, but less of one than Eloy Jiménez.

I think it's a good signing, and I'm a pessimist by DNA.
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Old 01-02-2020, 03:33 PM
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Until Madrigal proves he can hit MLB pitching no way should he be penciled into #2. Start him low in the order and see how he progresses. In this lineup swapping Madrigal for Anderson would be a better way to start the season. Also might swap Jimenez and Abreu down the road.
Yeah, double leadoff makes a lot of sense for Madrigal right now, and Robert can also test his mettle somewhere 6-9 to start his career. Let the kids anchor the bottom and turn that order over.
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Old 01-02-2020, 03:40 PM
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I like it, except I prefer Madrigal in the 2 spot if his hitting skills are as advertised. With Robert on base, those skills puts immediate pressure on the pitcher and defense:

1) Robert--CF
2) Madrigal-2B
3) Moncada--3B
4) Abreu--1B
5) Grandal--C
6) Jimenez--LF
7) Encarnacion--DH
8) Mazara--RF
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Until Madrigal proves he can hit MLB pitching no way should he be penciled into #2. Start him low in the order and see how he progresses. In this lineup swapping Madrigal for Anderson would be a better way to start the season. Also might swap Jimenez and Abreu down the road.
The key word being “penciled.” Anderson’s free-swinging ways are not ideal for the 2 spot in the lineup.
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Old 01-02-2020, 03:45 PM
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The key word being “penciled.” See above. Anderson’s free-swinging ways are not ideal for the 2 spot in the lineup.
Anderson posted a .357 OBP last year. He also showed excellent bat skills including the ability to go the other way and hit what was pitched to him. Later in the season his walk rate even improved and he has some of the best speed in the majors. He should be a top of the order hitter until he proves last season was an aberration. If he never does that then he should continue to hit high in the order.

However, I will say that if TA is the 9th place hitter then this team's lineup is fine.
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Old 01-02-2020, 03:46 PM
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TA7 did very well in the Seven Hole. He seems to like it.
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Old 01-02-2020, 03:52 PM
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If this doesn't excite you then I don't know what will:


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The White Sox control players through the following years:
Luis Robert: 2027
Eloy Jimenez: 2026
Dylan Cease: 2025
Tim Anderson: 2024
Michael Kopech: 2024
Lucas Giolito: 2023
Yoan Moncada: 2023
Yasmani Grandal: 2023
Dallas Keuchel: 2023


Madrigal, Vaughn, Dunning: at least 2026.
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Am I wrong to be be concerned that he has never had an AB in a major league game?
Yes. This is the smart business move in today's MLB.
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Robert got 26... Moncada 31.5... I'd say Moncada might still be interested in a 6/80 deal, which if he gets off to a good start this year, would be a STEAL!
After the year Moncada had last year, he could be in line for Rendon-type money in 4 years. Even 4/$80 just to buy out the 3 arb years may not even be enough.


If I'm Moncada, I'm not signing any extension that buys out any free agency years unless it is buying out enough time to be my "big contract" anyway. That likely means nine figures, and that first figure probably isn't a "1."
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As was pointed out on another forum, these types of moves are what the Sox are exceptionally good at, and are counterparts to the Cubs’ moves in building their contending teams. Looking at the Heyward signing in particular, it is hamstringing their chances of retaining Bryant and/or Rizzo. And that is why the Hayward signing was a terrible move from day 1.

I love the the forward-thinking aspect of these types of signings. Fair deal for everyone involved while maintaining flexibility in roster construction.
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Not for the money they're giving him.

I'm eating crow for my handwringing over the missed Machado deal and I like it.
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Not for the money they're giving him.

I'm eating crow for my handwringing over the missed Machado deal and I like it.
Wonder what Machado thinks seeing the moves the Sox have made...

It will be interesting to see how the offense clicks and if the pithing is there. Still a lot of questions, but at least it is hopeful that the beloved are actually making a move.
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After the year Moncada had last year, he could be in line for Rendon-type money in 4 years. Even 4/$80 just to buy out the 3 arb years may not even be enough.


If I'm Moncada, I'm not signing any extension that buys out any free agency years unless it is buying out enough time to be my "big contract" anyway. That likely means nine figures, and that first figure probably isn't a "1."
Would love to know where you came up with this statement. Mookie Betts is only getting around $60mil in his 3 Arb years.

You have been, and are wildly off in your assessment of what Moncada will be getting in an extension/arb as of this offseason.
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Would love to know where you came up with this statement. Mookie Betts is only getting around $60mil in his 3 Arb years.

You have been, and are wildly off in your assessment of what Moncada will be getting in an extension/arb as of this offseason.
And once Mookie and Bryant and all these other superstars start skewing the entire model upward with their huge numbers, that will be inflated by the next group of arb-eligible guys. By the time Moncada hits arb-3, that may be a $30+ year all by itself. Plus, if the arbitration system is tweaked in the new CBA, who knows what those salaries will become?


But yes, if Anthony Rendon can fetch $35 AAV and $245 total as a free agent, then Yoan Moncada, who looks to be every bit the superstar that Rendon is, would be crazy to forfeit free agent years that have become ~$35 AAV propositions and enter true free agency on the wrong side of 30.


6/$80 doesn't even deserve a serious response.
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As was pointed out on another forum, these types of moves are what the Sox are exceptionally good at, and are counterparts to the Cubs’ moves in building their contending teams. Looking at the Heyward signing in particular, it is hamstringing their chances of retaining Bryant and/or Rizzo. And that is why the Hayward signing was a terrible move from day 1.

I love the the forward-thinking aspect of these types of signings. Fair deal for everyone involved while maintaining flexibility in roster construction.

They went all-out to win a World Series for the first time in 108 years. This is nothing more than standard operating procedure for a team who is seeing a championship window closing. I'm not so sure where we get the idea that we have any business whatsoever in mocking them.



Taking glee in their misfortune is fine, even encouraged. I certainly enjoyed seeing everything turn to **** for them last September. However, saying that they did a bad job in building their team is just goofy.
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