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Old 08-19-2019, 03:40 PM
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As one who considers himself a baseball purist, I can't say I disagree with what was written.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...me/2047025001/
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Old 08-19-2019, 06:13 PM
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As one who considers himself a baseball purist, I can't say I disagree with what was written.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...me/2047025001/
'"I can’t watch these games anymore," Gossage said. "It’s not baseball. It’s unwatchable. A lot of the strategy of the game, the beauty of the game, it’s all gone."'

The problem is that strategy and patience once were part of the game; today's society wants none of the thinking. It's all about feeling.
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Old 08-20-2019, 06:28 AM
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I don't care for the state of the game, but the young people who are interested in sports, seem to like it . society has changed, and sports has to change along with it . for young people, their phones are everything to them . their pseudo friend and constant companion . many play video games instead of going outside to play sports like old guys like me did when i was young . i read where many young people only have digital friends and rarely interact socially . i suppose that it's just where society is going these days.
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Old 08-20-2019, 06:46 AM
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I canít presume to tell other people how to feel.

However, I disagree with the idea that todayís game has no strategy and is based all on feeling.

I find many things interesting and thoughtful about launch angles and exit velocity and spin rates and pitch tunneling. A lot of brain power is going into how to maximize certain skills, and how to deploy those skills to get 27 outs (when pitching) and to score as many runs as possible (when hitting).

I also realize itís not for everyone, and thatís OK.

Baseball changed when Babe Ruth clobbered homers, and changed again when Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier. It changed when it started to be played on artificial turf in multipurpose stadiums and domes, and changed again when it went back to grass. Tommy John surgery changed it again, and now advanced mathematics and high resolution cameras are changing it again.

What I like about baseball is that it can change and yet still remain fundamentally the same game.
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Old 08-21-2019, 11:56 AM
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Great article, I'm sure one of the pseudo statisticians can put a metric on it to tell baseball fans it's worth
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Great article, I'm sure one of the pseudo statisticians can put a metric on it to tell baseball fans it's worth
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Old 08-26-2019, 05:04 PM
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I canít presume to tell other people how to feel.

However, I disagree with the idea that todayís game has no strategy and is based all on feeling.

I find many things interesting and thoughtful about launch angles and exit velocity and spin rates and pitch tunneling. A lot of brain power is going into how to maximize certain skills, and how to deploy those skills to get 27 outs (when pitching) and to score as many runs as possible (when hitting).

I also realize itís not for everyone, and thatís OK.

Baseball changed when Babe Ruth clobbered homers, and changed again when Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier. It changed when it started to be played on artificial turf in multipurpose stadiums and domes, and changed again when it went back to grass. Tommy John surgery changed it again, and now advanced mathematics and high resolution cameras are changing it again.

What I like about baseball is that it can change and yet still remain fundamentally the same game.
Very well said.
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Old 08-23-2019, 07:31 PM
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I don't care for the state of the game, but the young people who are interested in sports, seem to like it . society has changed, and sports has to change along with it . for young people, their phones are everything to them . their pseudo friend and constant companion . many play video games instead of going outside to play sports like old guys like me did when i was young . i read where many young people only have digital friends and rarely interact socially . i suppose that it's just where society is going these days.
The changes have nothing to do with ďkids these days and their cell phonesĒ and everything to do with creating more runs. There is a reason most teams have bought in.
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Old 08-23-2019, 09:02 PM
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The changes have nothing to do with “kids these days and their cell phones” and everything to do with creating more runs. There is a reason most teams have bought in.
The changes are killing the game of baseball. Some get it, it seems a lot don't
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The changes are killing the game of baseball. Some get it, it seems a lot don't
Yeah, no team is ready to settle for 3rd place just because people want to see more singles.
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Old 08-24-2019, 05:22 AM
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There is a reason most teams have bought in.
Yeah, money. As long as money is cheap I'd expect more dollars being thrown about.

Back to reality: money and quality are two different issues.
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Old 08-26-2019, 08:32 AM
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Yeah, money. As long as money is cheap I'd expect more dollars being thrown about.

Back to reality: money and quality are two different issues.
What? What does any of this mean?
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Old 08-26-2019, 09:02 PM
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'"I canít watch these games anymore," Gossage said. "Itís not baseball. Itís unwatchable. A lot of the strategy of the game, the beauty of the game, itís all gone."'

The problem is that strategy and patience once were part of the game; today's society wants none of the thinking. It's all about feeling.

Ironically, without that strategy and patience, the games are longer, the pace is slower than ever. Baseball's efforts to create more action has resulted in less action spread out over a longer game.
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Old 08-26-2019, 09:42 PM
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Ironically, without that strategy and patience, the games are longer, the pace is slower than ever. Baseball's efforts to create more action has resulted in less action spread out over a longer game.
The 3-batter/end-of-inning minimum will help. I hope they make it 5 batters in 2021. Trimming the fat on mid-inning pitching changes will be awesome.
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Old 08-26-2019, 11:14 PM
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The 3-batter/end-of-inning minimum will help. I hope they make it 5 batters in 2021. Trimming the fat on mid-inning pitching changes will be awesome.
No, it won't. It's not about pitching changes. It's about strikeouts and walks. It's about pitchers who can't throw strikes. It's about hitters working pitchers for long counts. A three-batter limit for pitcher who can't dispatch hitters who aren't putting the ball in play will be just as interminable as pitching changes.

It isn't the dead time around the play. If it were, you could simply eliminate commercials (run them as the game progresses in a split screen) and put an end to manager appeals for replay. As it is, appeals to replay in many games involve more dead time than the dead time from multiple pitching changes within innings. With replay it isn't just the time that calls are being reviewed in New York. It's the time umpires allow managers to watch televised replays before deciding whether to appeal. But no one seems to care about the dead time involved in reviewing umpires' decisions.

Still, it isn't about the dead time around the game. It's about the dead time inside the game. Until baseball comes to understand that, their reactionary changes won't make a dent in the pace of the pace of the game.
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