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Old 04-22-2019, 09:45 AM
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Default 2019 on pace to be historically bad year for bullpens

https://wtop.com/mlb/2019/04/not-jus...for-relievers/

If current trends continue, 2019 will be the first year since the 60's where relievers have had a worse ERA than starters. The article blames the trend of pulling SPs out of games earlier.
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Old 04-22-2019, 11:21 AM
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How good can we realistically expect those 12th and 13th relief pitchers to be?
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Old 04-22-2019, 01:32 PM
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But our team is the only one with a truly crappy bullpen, right?
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Old 04-22-2019, 02:18 PM
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But our team is the only one with a truly crappy bullpen, right?
To show some much needed progress this season on the field, a bullpen is a very important part of that hope.

Sox fans have every reason to be concerned with it in my opinion. What any other team does or does not do with their bullpen has no bearing on the Sox and what they hope to show the fan base this season.
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Old 04-22-2019, 07:31 PM
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https://wtop.com/mlb/2019/04/not-jus...for-relievers/

If current trends continue, 2019 will be the first year since the 60's where relievers have had a worse ERA than starters. The article blames the trend of pulling SPs out of games earlier.
Being able to see parts of many different games, thanks to T-Mobile, I anecdotally agree with this. Bullpens have been really bad, especially with respect to throwing strikes. A case in point is yesterday's Sox game. Gardenhire nearly snatched defeat from the jaws of victory by taking out the starter after 5 innings. However, it appears Norris is coming back from an injury. So, there may be times this is necessary; however, overall, it seems like it's just the thing to do now. Look at what has happened recently to Hader in Milwaukee.

Looking at just usage from an IP standpoint is probably not adequate either. There might be some latent effect associated with days in a row pitching and number of pitches.

The next big thing in pitching is not going to be the opener, but the return of the long reliever. Someone call Sean Lowe!
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Old 04-23-2019, 09:04 PM
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Nova must have seen this thread and thought I can do my part to even that back out.
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Old 04-24-2019, 05:04 PM
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But our team is the only one with a truly crappy bullpen, right?

Nice use of the implied teal. And it's easy on the eyes.

The White Sox, of course, have a very bad bullpen, but I've expected bullpens overall to become worse as fewer innings are being demanded of starting pitchers. If you want better bullpens, you will demand less work from bullpens, build starting rotations with more solid starters who regularly go at least seven innings and complete games becoming more frequent or at least less rare

Teams have been trying to replicate the Royals' mid-decade bullpen success, but even the Royals burned out it's bullpen with the two World Series seasons. The fact is, it's not easy to build a great bullpen, and teams don't have the starting rotations giving bullpens enough rest for quality maintenance.

All pitching would probably look better if there was a greater emphasis on defense. But the team that develops multiple starting pitchers that hitters hate facing the third time as much as the first and doesn't see the need for a 12- or 13-man bullpen is the team that will have the inside track to winning.
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Old 04-27-2019, 09:38 PM
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This is what happens when you have over expansion. The only way to correct this situation is to have fewer teams.
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Old 04-27-2019, 09:42 PM
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This is what happens when you have over expansion. The only way to correct this situation is to have fewer teams.
Yup.
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Old 04-27-2019, 10:47 PM
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This is what happens when you have over expansion. The only way to correct this situation is to have fewer teams.
Exactly.

16 teams increased to 18, then 20, then 24, 26, 28, and finally 30. 10-man pitching staffs increased to 11, then 11-12, and now 12-13. At certain points in April, with all those extra off days built into the schedule, some teams were carrying 9 relievers among their 13 pitchers and skipping the 5th spot in the rotation. There are about 200 pitchers in the majors today who would not have been here years ago.
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Old 04-29-2019, 03:43 PM
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Exactly.

16 teams increased to 18, then 20, then 24, 26, 28, and finally 30. 10-man pitching staffs increased to 11, then 11-12, and now 12-13. At certain points in April, with all those extra off days built into the schedule, some teams were carrying 9 relievers among their 13 pitchers and skipping the 5th spot in the rotation. There are about 200 pitchers in the majors today who would not have been here years ago.
It isn't about MLB expansion as much as it is expansion of the number of relievers with starters pitching fewer innings. It isn't just that the number of teams have increased diluting pitching talent. It's that the number of pitchers have increased on each team while the number of pitchers have increased.

If you take a pitcher out after throwing five or six shutout innings because you believe he will cease to be effective the next time through the lineup (or even because he is approaching or has reached the arbitrary 100-pitch mark, 100 being such a big number), your relievers overall have an excellent chance not to do as well as your starter. Any time you go to the bullpen, you don't know what you're going to get, although you can be more confident in some relievers than others.

In one sense, there are starters who are having their stats protected at the expense of relievers. It has been that way for awhile, being evened out by starters (especially in the DH league) left in the game to get hit hard in a game conceded by the manager to rest the bullpen at points during the long season. But there continues to be more diminishing of starters' innings in favor of more fringe pitchers.
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Old 04-30-2019, 09:19 AM
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It isn't about MLB expansion as much as it is expansion of the number of relievers with starters pitching fewer innings. It isn't just that the number of teams have increased diluting pitching talent. It's that the number of pitchers have increased on each team while the number of pitchers have increased.
...Which I mentioned above...
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