You see the trend, what to do with Sale, quickly, as in now.

[WhiteSoxNation]

I say we attempt to lock him up quick.

Maybe something along the lines of
2013-900K, 24
2014-1.1M, 25
2015-5.5M, 26
2016-8.5M, 27
2017-10.5M, 28
2018-10.5M, 29
2019-10.5M, 30
2020-10.5M, 31

Assuming he stays healthy/competitive, it would be hard to decline this deal as a 23year old, IMO......Also if he doesn't get extended and hits the market around 26-27yrs old he's going to be looking at Hamels dollars........Look at the Kershaw financial options. Considering Floyd is making 9.5M it makes it a nice deal.

8yr/58M Similar to the Strasburg deal he signed out of college.

This put him past arbitration, which he would (assuming) be awarded pretty solid salary (LHP, eats IP, K's, competitive)

What would/should the Sox do with Sale?

[DonnieDarko]

What they should do is give him one or two more years. If he can keep this up, then lock him up to a good deal.

[WhiteSoxNation]

but remember as he gets better, the price tag goes up.

I think now is the time. maybe get the last few years as club options with a buyout.

[DonnieDarko]

Originally Posted by WhiteSoxNation

but remember as he gets better, the price tag goes up.

I think now is the time. maybe get the last few years as club options with a buyout.

That delivery still scares me. I wouldn't lock him up to any kind of longterm deal until he could prove that he could stay healthy. One year as a starter is not enough for me.

[blandman]

Originally Posted by WhiteSoxNation

I say we attempt to lock him up quick.

Maybe something along the lines of
2013-900K, 24
2014-1.1M, 25
2015-5.5M, 26
2016-8.5M, 27
2017-10.5M, 28
2018-10.5M, 29
2019-10.5M, 30
2020-10.5M, 31

Assuming he stays healthy/competitive, it would be hard to decline this deal as a 23year old, IMO......Also if he doesn't get extended and hits the market around 26-27yrs old he's going to be looking at Hamels dollars........Look at the Kershaw financial options. Considering Floyd is making 9.5M it makes it a nice deal.

8yr/58M Similar to the Strasburg deal he signed out of college.

This put him past arbitration, which he would (assuming) be awarded pretty solid salary (LHP, eats IP, K's, competitive)

What would/should the Sox do with Sale?

No way. Sale's elbow is an accident waiting to happen. Go year to year until you don't have to anymore getting as much as you can get out of him.

[WLL1855]

Originally Posted by blandman

No way. Sale's elbow is an accident waiting to happen. Go year to year until you don't have to anymore getting as much as you can get out of him.

When did we get a sports medicine professional on staff here? Dr. James Andrews is that you?

I'm not shocked this kind of crap keeps reappearing though. Didn't someone a while back advocate Sale getting Tommy John surgery before any problems even appear with his throwing arm?

Work out a deal with the guy through his arbitration years. At least. Sneak in an option year or two if you can with a fair buyout.

[blandman]

Originally Posted by WLL1855

When did we get a sports medicine professional on staff here? Dr. James Andrews is that you?

I'm not shocked this kind of crap keeps reappearing though. Didn't someone a while back advocate Sale getting Tommy John surgery before any problems even appear with his throwing arm?

Work out a deal with the guy through his arbitration years. At least. Sneak in an option year or two if you can with a fair buyout.

They're not my words, they're the words being repeated over and over by multiple scouts. You don't have to believe them, but those people are paid for their opinion.

[DumpJerry]

Originally Posted by WLL1855

When did we get a sports medicine professional on staff here? Dr. James Andrews is that you?

I'm not shocked this kind of crap keeps reappearing though. Didn't someone a while back advocate Sale getting Tommy John surgery before any problems even appear with his throwing arm?

Work out a deal with the guy through his arbitration years. At least. Sneak in an option year or two if you can with a fair buyout.

Originally Posted by blandman

They're not my words, they're the words being repeated over and over by multiple scouts. You don't have to believe them, but those people are paid for their opinion.

Come on, this time last year all the way until the 2012 season ended, Peavy and Sale were the China Dolls of the pitching staff who were 100% destined for the 60-Day DL per the experts at WSI.


Oh, of the five guys who who were in the starting rotation on Opening Day 2012, the only ones who never saw the DL during the season were.......Sale and Peavy.

[blandman]

Originally Posted by DumpJerry

Come on, this time last year all the way until the 2012 season ended, Peavy and Sale were the China Dolls of the pitching staff who were 100% destined for the 60-Day DL per the experts at WSI.


Oh, of the five guys who who were in the starting rotation on Opening Day 2012, the only ones who never saw the DL during the season were.......Sale and Peavy.

Sale did come out of the rotation and miss starts on more than one occasion, each time due to a loss of effectiveness. Even our pitching coach wanted to relegate him to the pen for the entire season because of injury concern.

[kevingrt]

Originally Posted by WhiteSoxNation

I say we attempt to lock him up quick.

Maybe something along the lines of
2013-900K, 24
2014-1.1M, 25
2015-5.5M, 26
2016-8.5M, 27
2017-10.5M, 28
2018-10.5M, 29
2019-10.5M, 30
2020-10.5M, 31

Assuming he stays healthy/competitive, it would be hard to decline this deal as a 23year old, IMO......Also if he doesn't get extended and hits the market around 26-27yrs old he's going to be looking at Hamels dollars........Look at the Kershaw financial options. Considering Floyd is making 9.5M it makes it a nice deal.

8yr/58M Similar to the Strasburg deal he signed out of college.

This put him past arbitration, which he would (assuming) be awarded pretty solid salary (LHP, eats IP, K's, competitive)

What would/should the Sox do with Sale?

I completely agree with you. Let's face it you have to make risks in baseball with all money being guaranteed. This I feel is a worthy risk. Even if he has Tommy John guys have been coming back fairly fine 12-14 months after Tommy John. I totally believe this is a risk willing to take rather then waiting two years, watching Sale continue to be a top 5-10 pitcher in the league and then get some crazy money offer Reinsdorf and the Sox cannot match.

[TaylorStSox]

IMO, the whole mechanics causing injury thing is absolute BS. Some guys have an arm that can hold up, despite mechanics, and some don't. I think it's more about a pitcher's body having the natural ability to withstand the pitching motion than anything else. It's just a crapshoot.

[WhiteSox5187]

MLB Network super imposed Sale's delivery over Randy Johnson's and they were almost exactly the same and Randy Johnson didn't have many arm problems until later in his career. Having said that, I would like Sale to pitch another full season before giving him some sort of major contract extension.

[Falstaff]

Originally Posted by TaylorStSox

IMO, the whole mechanics causing injury thing is absolute BS. Some guys have an arm that can hold up, despite mechanics, and some don't. I think it's more about a pitcher's body having the natural ability to withstand the pitching motion than anything else. It's just a crapshoot.

True. Also true is over time, (starting in 2013?) Sale's velocity will decline.
Rather than the 97mph 15 KO blazer, he'll be routinely working in the 90-93 range. Now, this is pretty standard. A good comparison would be Tim Lincecum, a lanky guy with funky delivery. I bet at this point SF is grateful they didn't commit to 8 years with their Cy Young honoree. I expect a similar trajectory for Sale. UNLESS he starts to develop command of his off-speedo junk a la Freddie Garcia. Chris Sale will not be a lights out performer for an extended time, but I think he has the talent to transform into a finesser as time goes with the wind. My 2 cents.

[Domeshot17]

Originally Posted by Falstaff

True. Also true is over time, (starting in 2013?) Sale's velocity will decline.
Rather than the 97mph 15 KO blazer, he'll be routinely working in the 90-93 range. Now, this is pretty standard. A good comparison would be Tim Lincecum, a lanky guy with funky delivery. I bet at this point SF is grateful they didn't commit to 8 years with their Cy Young honoree. I expect a similar trajectory for Sale. UNLESS he starts to develop command of his off-speedo junk a la Freddie Garcia. Chris Sale will not be a lights out performer for an extended time, but I think he has the talent to transform into a finesser as time goes with the wind. My 2 cents.

Wow, you are comparing pitchers who have absolutely nothing in common.

Sale does not get his Velocity from his "funky" delivery. He is 6'6. Lincecum is 5'11, which is why he gets his velo from the delivery. Sale also has GREAT offspeed stuff. Freddy Garcia has nothing to do with Chris Sale either.

Sale is a tall, long lefty. You are correct that he will he choose to work consistently in the mid to low 90s, but that is what all pitchers do who throw hard. Dial it up as needed. Sale had a couple games last year with a fatigued arm he was sitting about 88-91, which is common for young SP who have not been stretched out to 200 IP before.

Sale is a once a decade talent, the Sox need to not screw around and just lock him up.

[blandman]

Originally Posted by Domeshot17

Wow, you are comparing pitchers who have absolutely nothing in common.

Sale does not get his Velocity from his "funky" delivery. He is 6'6. Lincecum is 5'11, which is why he gets his velo from the delivery. Sale also has GREAT offspeed stuff. Freddy Garcia has nothing to do with Chris Sale either.

Sale is a tall, long lefty. You are correct that he will he choose to work consistently in the mid to low 90s, but that is what all pitchers do who throw hard. Dial it up as needed. Sale had a couple games last year with a fatigued arm he was sitting about 88-91, which is common for young SP who have not been stretched out to 200 IP before.

Sale is a once a decade talent, the Sox need to not screw around and just lock him up.

Sale is more likely a left-handed Jack McDowell, there's a dozen similarities. Jack was Cy Young worthy but with a body that couldn't possibly hold up for a decade. With Sale, it's already shown several times in his very short career.