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Old 01-06-2020, 02:55 PM
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Daniel Hudson is about to re-sign with the Nats
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Who else can we get for the bullpen?
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Old 01-06-2020, 03:10 PM
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It feels like the Sox just aren't/weren't that crazy with some of the RP names left on the FA market. Look for them to add via trade before the season, or possibly wait and acquire a guy or 2 in July that's having a good season.
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Old 01-06-2020, 03:20 PM
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I don't mind the hesitation, there is only 1 or 2 arms I like out there now, and with how stupid of a signing Herrera has turned into, limiting the number of those we have is positive.
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Old 01-06-2020, 03:59 PM
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Brandon Kintzler had a decent season on the north side last year. He made $5m last season. Maybe the Sox can sign him for one year at half that amount?
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Old 01-06-2020, 04:18 PM
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It feels like the Sox just aren't/weren't that crazy with some of the RP names left on the FA market. Look for them to add via trade before the season, or possibly wait and acquire a guy or 2 in July that's having a good season.
I would 100% echo their sentiment if that's hows they feel. I'd rather roll the dice with our own cast, for now, unless there's good value trades to be made.
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Old 01-06-2020, 09:16 PM
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I would 100% echo their sentiment if that's hows they feel. I'd rather roll the dice with our own cast, for now, unless there's good value trades to be made.
Most relief pitchers are unpredictable from year to year. I wouldn't be surprised if Fry and Herrera were good for us this year, with Colome, Bummer and Marshall regressing. I'm not saying that's going to happen, just don't be surprised if it does.

I agree that we shouldn't rush into anything if it's not a good value trade or signing. Spring training will provide a lot of clues on whether we truly need extra bullpen help.
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Old 01-07-2020, 07:12 AM
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Most relief pitchers are unpredictable from year to year. I wouldn't be surprised if Fry and Herrera were good for us this year, with Colome, Bummer and Marshall regressing. I'm not saying that's going to happen, just don't be surprised if it does.

I agree that we shouldn't rush into anything if it's not a good value trade or signing. Spring training will provide a lot of clues on whether we truly need extra bullpen help.
Yes to all this.

It is the most volatile position in the sport to fill on a year-to-year basis, and lots of these guys want 2-year commitments.

Any commitments of 3 or more years need to be made to guys who provide more than just 50-70 innings per year, unless those innings are dominant. For the $24 guaranteed to Harris and the $11 guaranteed to Hudson, I would rather see if the Cubs want to sell low on Craig Kimbrel to get under the luxury tax.

I would rather deal for Ian Kennedy and his 1 year of risk than Kimbrel’s 2 years of risk, but the Royals seem to be content with doing nothing this offseason and seeing if the offers get better in July. The Cubs may be more motivated to sell.

If we take back Chatwood’s bad 1-year money, they may even need to send us something to even it out. Give them Leury, Marshall, one of the outfield prospects, and some other insignificant considerations. Have them add Ian Happ.
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Yes to all this.

It is the most volatile position in the sport to fill on a year-to-year basis, and lots of these guys want 2-year commitments.

Any commitments of 3 or more years need to be made to guys who provide more than just 50-70 innings per year, unless those innings are dominant. For the $24 guaranteed to Harris and the $11 guaranteed to Hudson, I would rather see if the Cubs want to sell low on Craig Kimbrel to get under the luxury tax.

I would rather deal for Ian Kennedy and his 1 year of risk than Kimbrel’s 2 years of risk, but the Royals seem to be content with doing nothing this offseason and seeing if the offers get better in July. The Cubs may be more motivated to sell.

If we take back Chatwood’s bad 1-year money, they may even need to send us something to even it out. Give them Leury, Marshall, one of the outfield prospects, and some other insignificant considerations. Have them add Ian Happ.
It is funny you bring up Chatwood because he is a good I have been thinking of too. While I do not really want to help bail out the North Side, I think you could probably get a decent player back with him for nothing, I doubt we would even need to give up both guys you mentioned. He would be an interesting reclamation project, he was really good in Colorado.
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Chatwood, right now anyway, is probably the Cubs #5 starter. Unless someone beats him out I doubt the Cubs would trade him as a salary dump.
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Old 01-07-2020, 10:38 AM
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However they choose to address the bullpen needs- I hope they avoid trading prospects and stay focused on FA's, minor league contracts, spring training invites or taking on salary dumps, etc.- I'd really like them to hold on to their prospect depth for now- I think that could be the difference in having a sustainable run of success and being able to address gaps internally when hit by injuries, under performance, etc.- including areas where we seem to have lots of depth- like catcher and 1B/DHs.
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However they choose to address the bullpen needs- I hope they avoid trading prospects and stay focused on FA's, minor league contracts, spring training invites or taking on salary dumps, etc.- I'd really like them to hold on to their prospect depth for now- I think that could be the difference in having a sustainable run of success and being able to address gaps internally when hit by injuries, under performance, etc.- including areas where we seem to have lots of depth- like catcher and 1B/DHs.
Another reason to hold onto prospects right now is that they could be much more valuable in July this year and 2021 as trade bait.
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Sox are in agreement on a one-year deal worth $6m with Cishek. https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/statu...06699572682752
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Old 01-07-2020, 06:09 PM
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Another reason to hold onto prospects right now is that they could be much more valuable in July this year and 2021 as trade bait.
They have just as good a chance of being much less valuable. Look at all the talent the Astros gave up for Greinke, the Indians gave up for Miller, and the Cubs gave up for Chapman.
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Old 01-07-2020, 10:30 PM
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I’d bet good money on more and better guys becoming available come the deadline with teams selling off on tanks and the like. Seems like these teams who clearly need to sell to jumpstart a rebuild are just treading water and waiting. Come July, they need to **** or get off the pot with their <3 years controlled guys. We don’t need to get in on that bidding, but it should give us a chance to see the market and know what we can dip into next offseason after a year of evaluation.

Prospects rise and fall, we all know that. I just don’t mind giving any of the guys worth a damn on the market a full run with this team in their own time. Maybe the right deal comes along and we do something right now for a specific pitcher? If it makes you a contender now, do it, but otherwise I imagine we wait out a richer field of available players. It sure would be great to see a grand, preemptive strike, but I’m also good waiting on this group. Can’t overvalue your own toys, but it sure beats watching them go play well for another squad for a long time just because you felt pressured to make a splash.

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The rumor of the Cardinals offer for Arenado is Matthew Liberatore, Dakota Hudson, Carlos Martinez, and Tyler O'Neill
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