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Old 04-02-2018, 06:05 PM
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No, he's right. The Twins are crappy. They are perpetual losers. ( JB)
This has always summed it up quite nicely.
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Old 04-03-2018, 05:32 AM
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It's going to get worse.
When we get good - which will be soon - they will be too. They are always the Sox pain the ass.
Part of that was Tom Kelly/Ron Gardenhire. They seemed to know how to maximize their limited roster.

The other part of that, though, was their awful Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome. It was a terrible place to watch a game. The increased air pressure was disorienting. The lighting was terrible. I can only imagine it was much worse to be a visiting player having to play there. On top of all that, and the turf, and the white roof, they had reversible fans in the outfield that a stadium operator actually admitted sometimes to blowing in toward home plate when visitors were batting in the top of the inning, and blowing out when the Twins were batting.

Iím not saying the Twins wonít ever be good. But itís clear that the dump dome gave them significant advantages over opponents during home games when they played there. And when MLB went to three divisions and inalanced schedules, it meant that AL Central teams played a disproportionate share of games in that hellhole. Rest assured that the Tigers, Indians and Royals hated playing there just as much as we did.
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Old 04-03-2018, 09:48 AM
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Rest assured that the Tigers, Indians and Royals hated playing there just as much as we did.
Wonder what their record was playing there compared to the Sox?
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Old 04-03-2018, 11:55 AM
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Wonder what their record was playing there compared to the Sox?
You cannot compare straight up won-loss records because there are other variables that control, like team quality. You would need an Econometric model with variable controlling for the quality of the Twins season to season in addition to the opponents' quality and then how far, if at all, opponents' records deviate from the Standard Deviation for the season. You would also have to look at the Twins' road and home records with a variable for the MLB at-large.

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Old 04-03-2018, 12:04 PM
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Wonder what their record was playing there compared to the Sox?
https://www.baseball-reference.com/p.../head2head.cgi

Remarkably close:

At MIN 1982 - 2009

Code:
CHW 89 - 114
CLE 89 - 109
DET 83 - 114
KCR 90 - 113
Even without advanced statistical analysis of relative strength, nor correcting for the seasons that CLE and DET were in the ALE, the trend shows a remarkable advantage to playing in that dump.
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Old 04-03-2018, 12:17 PM
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Wonder what their record was playing there compared to the Sox?
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https://www.baseball-reference.com/p.../head2head.cgi

Remarkably close:

At MIN 1982 - 2009

Code:
CHW 89 - 114
CLE 89 - 109
DET 83 - 114
KCR 90 - 113
Even without advanced statistical analysis of relative strength, nor correcting for the seasons that CLE and DET were in the ALE, the trend shows a remarkable advantage to playing in that dump.
Since 1995 when MLB went to 3 Divisions

At MIN 1995 - 2009

Code:
CHW 52 - 69
CLE 59 - 61
DET 46 - 76
KCR 53 - 68
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Old 04-03-2018, 12:20 PM
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I have always given the twinks kudos for the hump dump. Nothing wrong with having a home field advantage and more teams should do the same. Id love to see a club build cavernous field, draft and get pitching, speed and defense. Go against the norm of what is expected now a days. Yea and I wish that club would be the White Sox.
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Old 04-03-2018, 12:30 PM
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Cavernous dimensions and artificial wind are two different things. The latter is straight-up cheating.
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Old 04-03-2018, 12:33 PM
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I dont think that artificial wind has ever been proved.
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Old 04-03-2018, 01:22 PM
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I dont think that artificial wind has ever been proved.
Other than a Metrodome employee who admitted it, yeah, I guess it hasn't been "proven."

For the team to admit it would be tantamount to saying their two World Series championships were tainted. They just aren't going to do that.
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Old 04-03-2018, 01:48 PM
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Other than a Metrodome employee who admitted it, yeah, I guess it hasn't been "proven."

For the team to admit it would be tantamount to saying their two World Series championships were tainted. They just aren't going to do that.
The advantages were the crowd noise, the background of the dome being similar to color of ball, the artificial turf and the dimensions of the field. The supposed a/c blowing out when the twinks were at bat could have hindered them as much as helped them. Bloop singles could have turned to easy outs. If the air was increased, it wasnt to the point where a pop up became a homerun.
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Old 04-03-2018, 01:54 PM
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Since 1995 when MLB went to 3 Divisions

At MIN 1995 - 2009

Code:
CHW 52 - 69
CLE 59 - 61
DET 46 - 76
KCR 53 - 68
This is actually a pretty fun tool! From 2000-2009 the Twins at home went:
55-35 against the Sox
62-30 against the Tigers
56-33 against the Royals
51-38 against the Indians

On the road, the Twins went:
43-47 against the Sox
48-41 against the Tigers
54-37 against the Royals
39-53 against the Indians.
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Old 04-03-2018, 02:57 PM
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The advantages were the crowd noise, the background of the dome being similar to color of ball, the artificial turf and the dimensions of the field. The supposed a/c blowing out when the twinks were at bat could have hindered them as much as helped them. Bloop singles could have turned to easy outs. If the air was increased, it wasnt to the point where a pop up became a homerun.
Agreed, but the difference in artificial airflow direction could make the difference between a visitor home run and a Torri Hunter or Jacque Jones leaping catch, or a deep warning track out and a Mauer/Morneu walkoff.
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Old 04-07-2018, 12:45 PM
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However one feels about the "unwritten rules of baseball," not bunting against the shift has never been one of them (though I suppose not shifting when you are up 7 in the ninth and your starter is cruising could be!). In any event the real pompous jerkitude so characteristic of the Twinkies shows up with the "We didn't say anything to him because he's young and he'll learn." He'll learn what, your dopey opinions about how the game should be played? Not gonna happen, but do go on whining.
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Old 04-07-2018, 03:07 PM
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Cavernous dimensions and artificial wind are two different things. The latter is straight-up cheating.
I call it gamesmanship myself.
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