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Old 11-20-2019, 09:58 PM
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Him and Rolen are deserving.

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To me Bonds and Clemens were HOF players before they juiced. Then both MLB and writers ignored all the steroid use until they could no longer ignore it. ...

If you're on your way to the Hall of Fame and you bring dishonor to the game, you no longer belong in the Hall of Fame.
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Old 11-20-2019, 10:47 PM
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My vote would be for Jeter and Schilling. No juicers in the HOF.
Except for the guys already in like Bagwell, I-Roid and Piazza.
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Old 11-21-2019, 05:22 AM
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My vote would be for Jeter and Schilling. No juicers in the HOF.
I'd add Walker.


I am in total agreement with your second statement.
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Old 11-21-2019, 08:03 AM
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Except for the guys already in like Bagwell, I-Roid and Piazza.
Not a problem. There should be a committee to review the members, with the power to drum them out.

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Old 11-21-2019, 10:09 AM
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I'm fine with letting the juicers who did it during the steroid era into the HOF because baseball and the media all turned a blind eye to it until it was no longer feasible for them to do so. Keep in mind the HOF is also filled with drug users, players who took amphetamines all through the 40's to the 80's, racists, bigots, and others who abused women and children.

Give me the players who used steroids to get better over the latter any day of the week.
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Old 11-21-2019, 03:50 PM
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Schilling has burned pretty much every bridge possible in retirement. I'd be shocked if he got in.
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Old 11-22-2019, 02:11 PM
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I can't believe Konerko has already been retired long enough to be eligible. Why is it the life seems to be just flying by accept my reitement date seems to be creeping along at a snail's pace. How ist that possible
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Old 11-22-2019, 02:26 PM
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I can't believe Konerko has already been retired long enough to be eligible. Why is it the life seems to be just flying by accept my reitement date seems to be creeping along at a snail's pace. How ist that possible

And when that day comes days will be like minutes.
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Old 11-23-2019, 02:07 AM
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I can't believe Konerko has already been retired long enough to be eligible. Why is it the life seems to be just flying by accept my reitement date seems to be creeping along at a snail's pace. How ist that possible
Eventually that time will come as well. I've been retired from my first career for over 21 years now, and totally retired for over 4. I can't believe that either has been that long.
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Old 11-23-2019, 08:22 PM
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if you're on your way to the hall of fame and you bring dishonor to the game, you no longer belong in the hall of fame.
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Old 11-24-2019, 08:52 PM
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One of the guys at my office feels that if a player is not elected the first time he is on the ballot, he should not get additional chances.

His reasoning is that the player's stats are not changing now that he is retired, so nothing changes from one year to the next about his playing years. What makes a player more worthy of being in Hall after being rejected the first time?

Do the other pro Halls of Fame give players multiple bites at the apple?
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Old 11-24-2019, 11:11 PM
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One of the guys at my office feels that if a player is not elected the first time he is on the ballot, he should not get additional chances.

His reasoning is that the player's stats are not changing now that he is retired, so nothing changes from one year to the next about his playing years. What makes a player more worthy of being in Hall after being rejected the first time?

Do the other pro Halls of Fame give players multiple bites at the apple?



Being elected the first time depends on who else is eligible at the same time.



I know football gives multiple tries.
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Old 11-25-2019, 08:16 AM
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I'd say remove the 10 player limit for the voters but then again, it doesn't matter for the "look at me!" crowd who turn in blank ballots of just elect one player (like the guy who just did it for Jeter).
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Ted Simmons and Marvin Miller have been elected to the HOF by the Veteran's Committee (good). Lou Whitaker should be in IMO.
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Except for the guys already in like Bagwell, I-Roid and Piazza.

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Not a problem. There should be a committee to review the members, with the power to drum them out.

I agree with both statements, the issue of steroid users and the HOF is a very thorny issue and not a pleasant one to deal with. I grew up watching Baseball in the 1960’s and ‘70s and seeing the records of Aaron, Banks, Mays And Clemente surpassed by the likes of Bonds, Sosa, McGwire and ARod were a tough pill to swallow. If I were a HOF voter I know exactly how I’d vote, but it’s hard when some players are under a cloud of suspicion. I’m not privileged to that information so I can’t really say who is guilty and who is innocent.

All that said, I’m happy for Ted Simmons Who in the 1970’s was right behind Johnny Bench for NL Catchers as far as I was concerned. A switch hitting Catcher who plays everyday, had that decade of dominance that I look for with several outstanding offensive seasons catching in the heat of St.L in the Summer and never wearing down. Ted was overshadowed a bit by Johnny Bench, but those who saw him play on a regular basis knew he was a threat to get a big base hit no matter who was on the mound.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...immote01.shtml

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...errayo01.shtml

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...enchjo01.shtml

PS: I didn’t realize how closely Ted Simmons career stats match up to Yogi Berra’s. And Yogi was a 3 time MVP in the 50’s! An impressive body of work and career that Ted Simmons produced.
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