
11-09-2019, 02:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by A. Cavatica
That's a reasonable position and explanation. I think, however, that it is too lenient.
Consider the JAWS metric, which tries to balance career WAR and 7-year peak WAR. The average Hall of Famer scores 61.5, and Blyleven clears it by a mile. Even Curt Schilling, who I don't think belongs, clears that bar. But John, Kaat, and many other very good pitchers fall well short -- and even fall below Rick Reuschel, who in my mind is a clear "no".
Unfortunately for my position, there are Jack Morris and Catfish Hunter. If everyone as good as those guys also makes it in, the size of the HoF will triple! Do you want to see Javier Vazquez in the Hall?
Blyleven:
Starting Pitcher (17th):
94.4 career WAR / 50.3 7yr-peak WAR / 72.3 JAWS
Schilling:
Starting Pitcher (27th):
79.5 career WAR / 48.6 7yr-peak WAR / 64.1 JAWS
Average HOF P:
73.2 career WAR / 49.9 7yr-peak WAR / 61.5 JAWS
Reuschel:
Starting Pitcher (49th):
69.5 career WAR / 43.7 7yr-peak WAR / 56.6 JAWS
Sabathia:
Starting Pitcher (69th):
63.0 career WAR / 39.3 7yr-peak WAR / 51.2 JAWS
John:
Starting Pitcher (85th):
61.5 career WAR / 34.6 7yr-peak WAR / 48.0 JAWS
Buehrle:
Starting Pitcher (89th):
59.2 career WAR / 35.8 7yr-peak WAR / 47.5 JAWS
Pettitte:
Starting Pitcher (91st):
60.2 career WAR / 34.1 7yr-peak WAR / 47.1 JAWS
Pierce:
Starting Pitcher (101st):
53.4 career WAR / 37.8 7yr-peak WAR / 45.6 JAWS
Koosman:
Starting Pitcher (104th):
53.6 career WAR / 36.4 7yr-peak WAR / 45.0 JAWS
Kaat:
Starting Pitcher (109th):
50.4 career WAR / 38.1 7yr-peak WAR / 44.3 JAWS
Vazquez:
Starting Pitcher (142nd):
45.7 career WAR / 36.0 7yr-peak WAR / 40.9 JAWS
Colon:
Starting Pitcher (143rd):
46.1 career WAR / 35.6 7yr-peak WAR / 40.8 JAWS
Morris:
Starting Pitcher (168th):
43.4 career WAR / 32.5 7yr-peak WAR / 38.0 JAWS
Hunter:
Starting Pitcher (169th):
40.9 career WAR / 34.9 7yr-peak WAR / 37.9 JAWS
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That's a very interesting analysis. Thanks for posting. I guess I've always thought that if 300 wins (one of those magic numbers) is an automatic ticket to Cooperstown, then 280+ wins should get you in after a long wait.
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