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View Poll Results: Is August 2018 the turning point towards winning? | |||
Yes. Next year we will challenge for the division. |
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No, but we're on schedule. |
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No, and we're behind schedule. |
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3 | 4.29% |
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10 | 14.29% |
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I don't agree with him, but the question I posed relates to what we all assume is the schedule (because these things are not outlined for our perusal).
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There are a few series coming up which will give some kind of indication if the starting pitching can be a part of the future. Regarding position players, what they have shown so far this year is not what I want for the future.
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Which is why I voted for Churros. I have no idea what the schedule is or the timetable because not a single FO member of the White Sox have publicly said what is the schedule/timetable. The best answer I can provide to the question is maybe.
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December 6, 2016 was the turning point of the rebuild.
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The turning point of this rebuild will be when they get a legitimate manager.
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When we are ready to compete my guess is that Renteria will still be with us, he will be given a chance to see what he can do with a good team. It's almost like that old saying, when I die I'm going to heaven because I spent my time in hell with the White Sox rebuild years. Because of that he will be retained, maybe for only a year.
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I think the real turning point will be April, 2019.
I expect at that point that Eloy will be on the team, we'll have a bullpen full of promising (but inexperienced) arms- to go with the currently promising young rotation and the building blocks like Anderson and Moncada. At that point- more than half the 25 man roster will be players that have a legit shot at being on the team "when we're good again", and hopefully guys like Cease, Zavala, etc. will join them later in 2019.
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TomBradley72 http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/334c0314 Players that are an important part of the rebuild: Anderson, Giolito, Lopez, Moncada |
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I hang my hope on the arms. We still have a couple of studs in the minors who could come in next year and round out the staff. In the meantime you can stick with Shields as a solid #5 keeping the seat warm until that role is filled.
Then add in Eloy (plus a couple of other minor leaguers) and I think contending for the wild card (if not the division) is realistic. Whatever the case, 2020 IS shaping up nicely.
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The rebuild is successful when this organization consistently drafts and develops talent.
The rebuild is successful when this organization has a front office that knows when and which free agents to go after.
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I would agree with this. I am very happy with some of the contributions we are getting from our youngsters. They are showing talent reminiscent of impact players. However, we will not have a roster with only home grown guys. We are going to need to get a couple FAs at least to help fill key spots. We have to make the right choices at the right time and be willing to pay the salaries necessary to get these guys.
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I agree with your post. I bolded the part on which I want to expand a bit more. Part of making the right choice at the right time is knowing where your "holes" are. I don't think we know that yet. That's why I'm not in favor of splurging in this year's free agent class. I would prefer to wait until after the 2019 season; we will have a better idea of where our holes are - or are likely to be - at that point.
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I disagree about winning now hurts the ability to win in 2020. Whoever we draft next year, regardless of draft position, will likely have little impact on the major league team in 2020 as it seems they're no longer trying to fast track players like Beckham/Sale/Rodon. |
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That said, it's pretty hypocritical to at one point criticize players for not showing enough development, and then when they show improvement over (as evidenced by a winning record since the ASB), say that this improvement is hurting the team in 2020 by hurting their draft slot. Player development is going to lead to more wins (that's the whole idea, right?). What do you expect, Renteria to put his worst reliever out there any time the Sox have the lead, hoping he'll blow the game? I'd like the Sox to get the best draft pick possible too, but if they are winning more games due to contributions from future members of the "core", which is what's happening lately, then I'm okay with them picking 6th instead of 3rd. Regarding the players HomeFish highlighted: Giolito/Lopez/Kopech: I have no idea what this developmental schedule is that you're referring to. Were Lopez and Giolito ahead of schedule with their 2017 performance, but now they're behind schedule? Not sure how that works. All three have shown potential to be part of a competitive rotation, the hope is that maybe two of them can stick when that time comes. Moncada: this is the first time I've heard anybody questioning whether he has an MLB future past 2019. He's had a tough rookie season, but anybody who's watched him can see the potential. Anderson: He's the most valuable position player on this team, and has shown a ton of improvement this season, especially defensively. Davidson: I don't get the Valentin comp at all. I agree that he doesn't look likely to be a big part of the future. Yolmer: this one might be accurate, though I don't expect him to ever be as valuable as Uribe |
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