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Old 09-02-2018, 10:37 PM
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Conversely, the draft is a crapshoot and we can take advantage of a top 10 position as well as we can a top 5.

What is the worst case for us if we get 70 wins? 7th. I am okay with it. Especially if it means we are playing .500 baseball next year.
Except it doesn’t mean that.
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Old 09-02-2018, 10:43 PM
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Except it doesn’t mean that.
It obviously doesn't literally, but there are indicators here that this run is not a fluke. If you wish this happened later, I understand the argument, but maybe this is the real deal.

Especially since we have a deep system as is.
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Old 09-02-2018, 10:49 PM
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There is nothing wrong with wanting to see your team win a game. Nothing.
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Old 09-02-2018, 10:51 PM
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This was a pretty encouraging week against two teams that should be contending in October. The offense had a rough go of it yesterday, but got some good swings today. I think Moncada got the message to be more aggressive and now he's hitting .296 in the past 7 games. The starting pitching can ride some momentum into the end of the season.
And they had a great send off for Hawk.
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Old 09-02-2018, 11:04 PM
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The two trots in one at bat was something I'd never seen before, and Hawk along with AJ said much the same thing.

I'm glad he got the HR after the first one went foul. That kid has some power.

It was a good game to watch.
The situation was that he hit a foul ball, trotted as if it was a home run, and got called back to the plate, only to hit another home run?

I recall a time in the mid-2000's when this happened against the Sox. It was in Toronto. A Blue Jays player thought he hit a grand slam to deep right field, but it was ruled a foul ball. Later in the at-bat, he hit an actual grand slam to deep left field. I forget which sap was pitching for the Sox.
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Old 09-03-2018, 12:08 AM
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If we are upset with losing draft position, think about how furious Braves fans should be this year. They are also officially still in a re-build.
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Old 09-03-2018, 12:10 AM
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Potential 2019 bullpen shaping up nicely-

LH- Fry, Frare, Bummer
RH- Hamilton, Burr, Jones, Covey, Fulmer (w/Burdi on deck)

Anderson is electric on both sides of the ball.

Credit to Renteria and his staff for how hard and well these guys are playing- even without Abreu and Avi.

Hawk and AJ were great together-at one point Hawk stated "Schueler was not the best GM"- pretty strong statement.

Side note- I don't understand only giving away the nesting doll to the first 10,000 fans- kind of a big day for a franchise icon- anything less than 25,000 would be embarrassing, and they drew 30,000+.
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Old 09-03-2018, 12:58 AM
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There is nothing wrong with wanting to see your team win a game. Nothing.
No argument on that point. I’m ambivalent on game outcomes and have been all year. Wins are fun. Losses are expected and have a small bright side.
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Old 09-03-2018, 02:09 AM
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Once read about DiMag doing it an eon ago. Must have been some NY writer because he described it as the greatest thing that ever happened. May I remind you all again that Palka (I'm serious) is the Polish word for bat. No majestic high flies for Daniel. His dingers get out fast.
According to Google Translate, Palka is Polish for stick. Close enough. In Estonian, it means salary.
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Old 09-03-2018, 09:42 AM
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The team is better because the pitching has stabilized. That should have some staying power. Still, there is an open spot in the rotation, and even if Cease is penciled in, there is a real lack of depth (who exactly is next man up - Stephens? Who's next). The pen looks to be pretty good - not sold on Burr but the others look solid. But there too, depth.
The team is also better because everyone in the lineup can hit. This is where decisions will have to be made both for next year's 25 and for the 40 man. Davidson is really improving; Palka is pretty good and fun to watch. And Delmonico, while not as good as last year, has also been injured. Then there are Yolmer, Leury and Rodon. None are probably starters, but none bad enough to just cut either.
And Engel has really come together defensively, which has helped to overcome defensive liabilities on the corners.
Hahn has some assets on this 40 man and he has work to do in December to make the best use of them.
As for the draft, we've had top 11 picks for like 6 straight seasons, and several in the top 5. Does Hahn need 7 to get this fixed? 8? Anything else? Just draft better. There's not need to wait 5 years and then let him put together a team.
It's time to put up, or exit stage left.

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Old 09-03-2018, 09:57 AM
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According to Google Translate, Palka is Polish for stick. Close enough. In Estonian, it means salary.
Since the two languages are unrelated except by geography and the meanings are very different, coincidence is the likely cause. The Polish word uses the bar L which English doesn't have and if you try that in Google Translate, you get "bat" as a meaning as well as stick.

Google Translate is a big help (I'm not Polish nor do I speak the language). I ran Szczur through it a few years ago because it looked like something and found that Matt of Cubbie "fame" is named "rat."
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Old 09-03-2018, 11:31 AM
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The team is also better because everyone in the lineup can hit.

Maybe on occasion they hit but not consistently. They strike out way too much. Close to record setting too much.
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Old 09-03-2018, 11:38 AM
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Maybe on occasion they hit but not consistently. They strike out way too much. Close to record setting too much.
Yes they do. But they can still hit.

Take Davidson - improving player, good OPS, but he Ks a lot, which is okay if you don't have a team full of him. He also plays a capable 1B and can play 3b although not well. Is he someone the Sox should trade?
This is the hard part- using assorted assets to put together a team.
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Old 09-03-2018, 11:38 AM
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The team is better because the pitching has stabilized. That should have some staying power. Still, there is an open spot in the rotation, and even if Cease is penciled in, there is a real lack of depth (who exactly is next man up - Stephens? Who's next). The pen looks to be pretty good - not sold on Burr but the others look solid. But there too, depth.
The team is also better because everyone in the lineup can hit. This is where decisions will have to be made both for next year's 25 and for the 40 man. Davidson is really improving; Palka is pretty good and fun to watch. And Delmonico, while not as good as last year, has also been injured. Then there are Yolmer, Leury and Rodon. None are probably starters, but none bad enough to just cut either.
And Engel has really come together defensively, which has helped to overcome defensive liabilities on the corners.
Hahn has some assets on this 40 man and he has work to do in December to make the best use of them.
As for the draft, we've had top 11 picks for like 6 straight seasons, and several in the top 5. Does Hahn need 7 to get this fixed? 8? Anything else? Just draft better. There's not need to wait 5 years and then let him put together a team.
It's time to put up, or exit stage left.
Cease won't be ready for the majors next season. Possibly a late season call up like Kopech this year at best, but he won't be penciled in to the rotation. He's doing great, but he's only had a half season at AA and this year was the most innings he ever pitched in the minors.

Next year's rotation should be Rodon-Kopech-Giolito-Lopez and then a question mark for the 5th spot. That's fine IMO for where we are at this stage of the rebuild.
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Old 09-03-2018, 11:57 AM
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Yes they do. But they can still hit.

Take Davidson - improving player, good OPS, but he Ks a lot, which is okay if you don't have a team full of him. He also plays a capable 1B and can play 3b although not well. Is he someone the Sox should trade?
This is the hard part- using assorted assets to put together a team.
Problem with Davidson is his splits are heavily slanted against LHP. Against RHP he only has a .730 OPS. That's still ~75% of his AB. Can he get it higher with repetition and time? Maybe but he's also 27.

If the Sox can get value for him by packaging him with other players for a position of need that's great, but otherwise he's a bench player/fill in who will primarily be a DH against LHP.
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