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Old 06-28-2018, 10:46 AM
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My random $0.02-

Curbelo at Kanny hitting .286, finally healthy, interesting 20 yo 3B prospect. Skoug is living up to his 7th round draft pick- hitting .215, .143 over his last 10.

Laz Rivera continuing to rake- 2 hits last night (including a double), Adolfo hitting ,325 over his last 10- nice to see him coming back, and sustaining (so far) over a full season. Gavin Sheets still not showing much power- but hitting .341 over his last 10.

Rough start for Adams at AAA last night- looks like he settled down a bit after after giving up 4 in the 1st (only 1 ER over his last 6 IP).

Game 2 of the CWS Finals was a thriller- dramatic come from behind win by Oregon State to stay alive- nice turn by Madrigal for the DP that closed it out.

Performance by White Sox prospects has been really good so far- other than the injuries hitting us- a promising season so far for the rebuild.
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Old 06-28-2018, 11:01 AM
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Performance by White Sox prospects has been really good so far- other than the injuries hitting us- a promising season so far for the rebuild.

This is a really important point.


Obviously injuries are disappointing. But none of them look to be career-threatening. The only real concern looks to be Jake Burger, and that's more about his ability to play third, or if he will have to move to first or DH. But that's completely unknown at this point. It is equally within the realm of possibility that physical therapy and nutrition could lead him to become fitter and more flexible than he ever was previously.



No top prospect who has been playing has been playing badly. There are understandable developmental issues; for instance, Gavin Sheets' power is down but by his own admission he is not swinging for power but rather to make good contact and avoid striking out.


On the other hand, prospects whose development concerned us last year are making significant progress this year, such as Cease, Collins and Rutherford.


Finally, the top of our draft class looks really strong. The top of our system is getting stronger, and it is getting deeper.
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Old 06-28-2018, 12:03 PM
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More info from my trainer friend on Dunning:

"A sprain is a tear of a ligament. It just depends on the amount. If something needs to change is always a debate and part of the clinical decision process. When you sprain an ankle were you running wrong or did just happen to step on that rock and rolled your ankle? This is the dilemma. Do they need to change something in his, mechanics, which is possible, or did he just do something on that one pitch or two pitches that caused the sprain but not a complete tear. They will go back and look at the pitches and evaluate it. In pitching more often than not, they will try to make an adjustment but it's not a given."

He also brought up what I think is a good point and one I overlooked... unlike the NFL, MLB teams are not required to reveal a lot of details about an injury so he said its best to take anything they actually do say with a grain of salt because there may be more to it.
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Old 06-28-2018, 12:56 PM
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My random $0.02-

Curbelo at Kanny hitting .286, finally healthy, interesting 20 yo 3B prospect. Skoug is living up to his 7th round draft pick- hitting .215, .143 over his last 10.

Laz Rivera continuing to rake- 2 hits last night (including a double), Adolfo hitting ,325 over his last 10- nice to see him coming back, and sustaining (so far) over a full season. Gavin Sheets still not showing much power- but hitting .341 over his last 10.

Rough start for Adams at AAA last night- looks like he settled down a bit after after giving up 4 in the 1st (only 1 ER over his last 6 IP).

Game 2 of the CWS Finals was a thriller- dramatic come from behind win by Oregon State to stay alive- nice turn by Madrigal for the DP that closed it out.

Performance by White Sox prospects has been really good so far- other than the injuries hitting us- a promising season so far for the rebuild.
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This is a really important point.

Obviously injuries are disappointing. But none of them look to be career-threatening. The only real concern looks to be Jake Burger, and that's more about his ability to play third, or if he will have to move to first or DH. But that's completely unknown at this point. It is equally within the realm of possibility that physical therapy and nutrition could lead him to become fitter and more flexible than he ever was previously.

No top prospect who has been playing has been playing badly. There are understandable developmental issues; for instance, Gavin Sheets' power is down but by his own admission he is not swinging for power but rather to make good contact and avoid striking out.

On the other hand, prospects whose development concerned us last year are making significant progress this year, such as Cease, Collins and Rutherford.

Finally, the top of our draft class looks really strong. The top of our system is getting stronger, and it is getting deeper.
Agreed. It's encouraging to see so many prospects having good seasons. Not just top names like Cease and Rutherford, but also some of the lower ranked prospects like Hamilton, Gonzalez, and Stephens.

Nice to see Gavin Sheet on an 11(?) game hitting streak. I know his HR total is zero and down the road that will not cut it for a 1B. But, like with Rutherford, I'm not worried yet if he's working on other aspects of his swing.

On the injury front, I believe I read somewhere that Adolfo might be cleared to play in the OF soon. Am I remembering that right?
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Old 06-28-2018, 01:28 PM
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Agreed. It's encouraging to see so many prospects having good seasons. Not just top names like Cease and Rutherford, but also some of the lower ranked prospects like Hamilton, Gonzalez, and Stephens.

Nice to see Gavin Sheet on an 11(?) game hitting streak. I know his HR total is zero and down the road that will not cut it for a 1B. But, like with Rutherford, I'm not worried yet if he's working on other aspects of his swing.

On the injury front, I believe I read somewhere that Adolfo might be cleared to play in the OF soon. Am I remembering that right?
Yes, they like the progress the elbow is making. Sox think he'll play OF this year.
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Old 06-28-2018, 01:36 PM
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On the injury front, I believe I read somewhere that Adolfo might be cleared to play in the OF soon. Am I remembering that right?
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Yes, they like the progress the elbow is making. Sox think he'll play OF this year.
Chris Getz confirmed this. Adolfo will start a throwing program, with a goal toward playing the OF later this season.
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Old 06-28-2018, 08:34 PM
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Madrigal has not looked good this CWS. So much weak contact. Not sure if he needs a break or what, but not a great showing.
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Old 06-28-2018, 09:12 PM
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Madrigal has not looked good this CWS. So much weak contact. Not sure if he needs a break or what, but not a great showing.
#bustwatch?
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Old 06-28-2018, 09:37 PM
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haha, I am nowhere near saying that, I love the kid, and I love that his attitude after the outs is unflapping.... I just have a very small part of me scared we drafted Yolmer Sanchez 2.0
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Old 06-28-2018, 10:12 PM
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haha, I am nowhere near saying that, I love the kid, and I love that his attitude after the outs is unflapping.... I just have a very small part of me scared we drafted Yolmer Sanchez 2.0
Not worried in the least but will definitely be looking at how Jonathan India does. He was stellar in the playoffs.
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Old 06-28-2018, 10:17 PM
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Madrigal has not looked good this CWS. So much weak contact. Not sure if he needs a break or what, but not a great showing.
2 strike outs in the last 52 at bats. He just chose the wrong time to get cold. The guy is a keeper, and will be the reason why we win rings.


Also, anyone else drool over the prospect of Robert. The guy hasn't hit a home run , but I am still on 24/7 boner watch thinking about him. Not in a sexy way, but a baseball way. Does this make sense?
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Old 06-28-2018, 11:02 PM
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2 strike outs in the last 52 at bats. He just chose the wrong time to get cold. The guy is a keeper, and will be the reason why we win rings.


Also, anyone else drool over the prospect of Robert. The guy hasn't hit a home run , but I am still on 24/7 boner watch thinking about him. Not in a sexy way, but a baseball way. Does this make sense?
In the same game that Robert went 4 for 6 tonight, Sheets hit 2 HR and Gonzalez went 2 for 5 as W-S racked up 18 hits. Laz Rivera, the guy who failed to get the memo that he has no shot at making the show, went 3 for 5 and is now batting .400 since being promoted to high-A.
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Old 06-28-2018, 11:25 PM
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More info from my trainer friend on Dunning:

"A sprain is a tear of a ligament. It just depends on the amount. If something needs to change is always a debate and part of the clinical decision process. When you sprain an ankle were you running wrong or did just happen to step on that rock and rolled your ankle? This is the dilemma. Do they need to change something in his, mechanics, which is possible, or did he just do something on that one pitch or two pitches that caused the sprain but not a complete tear. They will go back and look at the pitches and evaluate it. In pitching more often than not, they will try to make an adjustment but it's not a given."

He also brought up what I think is a good point and one I overlooked... unlike the NFL, MLB teams are not required to reveal a lot of details about an injury so he said its best to take anything they actually do say with a grain of salt because there may be more to it.
Lip, this almost sounds like you interviewed yourself.

I know you feel there is a conspiracy to anything White Sox, but Dane Dunning, honestly? What could the White Sox be possibly hiding or have a reason to hide here?

They didn't drop a magic curtain when Burdi (a higher prospect at the time) blew out his elbow. They've been transparent about the double ruptured achillies on Burger. Same for Adolfo and Robert's injuries. In fact the only injury they were a bit secretive on was Alec Hansen and case and point the guy made it back to the mound this year with out the rumored TJ.
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Old 06-29-2018, 12:41 AM
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Lip, this almost sounds like you interviewed yourself.

I know you feel there is a conspiracy to anything White Sox, but Dane Dunning, honestly? What could the White Sox be possibly hiding or have a reason to hide here?

They didn't drop a magic curtain when Burdi (a higher prospect at the time) blew out his elbow. They've been transparent about the double ruptured achillies on Burger. Same for Adolfo and Robert's injuries. In fact the only injury they were a bit secretive on was Alec Hansen and case and point the guy made it back to the mound this year with out the rumored TJ.
Love: I'm just saying what the guy said and he's been a trainer for over 30 years. I personally didn't even know the differences between the NFL and MLB. I don't think he's "accusing" the Sox of anything, simply noting the fact that MLB is under no requirement to be more specific and that you have to remember that there could be more to the story than they have to reveal.

And regarding the first part of your comment the entire Rodon injury / situation smelled to high heaven as was noted by numerous posters here during last year, one (it may have been JB?) saying that he didn't trust the Sox regarding ANYTHING where injuries were concerned. I do remember that comment well.

Historically I can give you more issues specifically regarding the White Sox but there's no sense getting into that, at least at this time.

I don't think I have any conscious "conspiracy" feelings, I simply pass along what I hear from different sources and draw some conclusions. One of which recently had some circumstantial comments from an individual (who he is I have no idea) that offered some validation to what I had been hearing about the training staff as I'm sure you remember well.

If I do have any "conspiracy" feelings its probably subconscious which can impact how I interpret what I read, see, am told. I'm honest enough to admit that is possible (as it is for any human. It's impossible to be totally "unbiased.") The lack of success at the big league level since 2007 certainly also factors into how I look at the data. This is a bottom line business...won / lost is the clear indicator...and as you know things have been pretty bad the past 11 years with the same decision makers in play.

Let's just hope the kid is OK or short of that, that his situation becomes clear enough so that if surgery is necessary they don't have to wait months to discover it (much like with Rodon)

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Old 06-29-2018, 05:16 AM
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Lip, this almost sounds like you interviewed yourself.

I know you feel there is a conspiracy to anything White Sox, but Dane Dunning, honestly? What could the White Sox be possibly hiding or have a reason to hide here?

They didn't drop a magic curtain when Burdi (a higher prospect at the time) blew out his elbow. They've been transparent about the double ruptured achillies on Burger. Same for Adolfo and Robert's injuries. In fact the only injury they were a bit secretive on was Alec Hansen and case and point the guy made it back to the mound this year with out the rumored TJ.

The White Sox do not have to be hiding anything. The organization either does not know the extent of the injury or they do know the extent of the injury and believe the general public does not need to know about the extent of the injury for any number of reasons.
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