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Old 12-07-2019, 10:01 AM
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No way would I trade for one year of Betts unless we thought we were playoff bound. And what brings people to the park is winning.
What this team needs is the same thing we needed in 2018, last season, and next season; we need pitching. We will not be a serious playoff contender without a good pitching staff. And I said "good", not great. We have offense (and hopefully can build on that), but we need to limit the other team from scoring. That is pitching (and defense).
I don't have the answer after Wheeler made his decision but I hope Hahn does.
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Old 12-07-2019, 10:30 AM
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No way would I trade for one year of Betts unless we thought we were playoff bound. And what brings people to the park is winning.
What this team needs is the same thing we needed in 2018, last season, and next season; we need pitching. We will not be a serious playoff contender without a good pitching staff. And I said "good", not great. We have offense (and hopefully can build on that), but we need to limit the other team from scoring. That is pitching (and defense).
I don't have the answer after Wheeler made his decision but I hope Hahn does.
I agree.
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Old 12-07-2019, 10:48 AM
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Doesn't seem to make sense that the Sox can trade these pieces for Betts then turn around and flip him for better pieces at the trade deadline if they choose to.

Why wouldn't Boston simply hold on to him and flip him at the trade deadline if that were true?
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Old 12-07-2019, 10:58 AM
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False! And I am surprised to read this take from you.

This team is not going to the World Series in 2020, even with Betts. If they acquire the pitching they need (a #1 starter, a #3 or 4 starter, two high leverage relievers) then things might be different. But so far all they have done is swapped out Vieira for another guy like Vieira.

Lopez, Basabe, and Dunning might still contribute multiple inexpensive, quality seasons. Maybe the right move is to trade them for other players with multiple years of control, but it’s not to throw them away for one year of Betts.
Even 2 months of Betts at the trade deadline in a pennant race would bring in a package better than that. A full season is even more valuable, especially when considering the draft pick compensation after Betts walks. That pick would help offset losing a pick for signing a QO free agent.

Lopez was as bad in 2019 as Giolito was in 2018. Do we really expect lightning to strike twice with 2 historic career resurrections in 2 consecutive years? I’m very much in doubt about the quality of the seasons he will provide going forward.

I’m also not too concerned with cutting bait on Basabe. He has missed a lot of development time and is already showing signs of being more prone to injury than guys like Steele Walker or Blake Rutherford. I think we can absorb the loss.

The only guy who it would pain me to give up would be Dunning. However, you do have to give something to get something, and we’re getting a free agent arm next week anyway, right Rick?

What if Betts helped this team make some real noise in the AL this year and really enjoyed the team and the town? It may make us a legitimate suitor for his services in next winter’s free agent sweepstakes. If anybody is worth that Machado money—which we have been assured “will be spent when the time is right”—Betts is worth that money. Giving him a 1-year trial run on the South Side before he hits the market may not be the worst idea in the world.

Want to keep Dane Dunning? Take Jed Lowrie’s bad money and half of Jeurys Familia’s bad money from the Mets to get Dom Smith and a minor league pitcher. Add Dom Smith to the package, and swap Dunning for the pitcher you get from the Mets. Basically, you’re paying about $27 over 2 years to keep Dunning out of the package.

The total cost would be Lopez, Basabe, and about $18/$9 for Betts in his Arb 3 year.

Your 2020 lineup would be:

1. Betts
2. Robert
3. Moncada
4. Abreu
5. Jimenez
6. Grandal
7. TA (TA hitting 7th just earned this plan the Renteria Seal of Approval)
8. DH du jour (Collins, McCann, Grandal, Abreu, Eloy, etc)
9. Madrigal

That’s out of this world.
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Old 12-07-2019, 11:00 AM
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Doesn't seem to make sense that the Sox can trade these pieces for Betts then turn around and flip him for better pieces at the trade deadline if they choose to.

Why wouldn't Boston simply hold on to him and flip him at the trade deadline if that were true?
They need to get that ~$27 million off the books. Paying ~$18 of it until the deadline doesn’t help them.
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Old 12-07-2019, 11:19 AM
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Bob Nightengale is reporting that the Phillies are going to be an aggressive suitor on Anthony Rendon...and that this was part of their pitch for Zach Wheeler.
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Old 12-07-2019, 11:22 AM
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There’s a rumor being spread on Twitter about Marcell Ozuna signing with the Sox on Monday. I’m not buying it one bit as it’s an unverified source with ties to Hector Gomez.

Also, Ozuna doesn’t exactly excite me as an addition to the Sox. That OF defense would be brutal.
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Old 12-07-2019, 11:36 AM
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There’s a rumor being spread on Twitter about Marcell Ozuna signing with the Sox on Monday. I’m not buying it one bit as it’s an unverified source with ties to Hector Gomez.

Also, Ozuna doesn’t exactly excite me as an addition to the Sox. That OF defense would be brutal.
Yeah, I saw this too. I DEFINITELY hope it is false because if so, it would be back to middle of the road garbage signings in my opinion. The dude has some pop, but there are TONS of guys that have some pop nowadays. Ozuna has the typical low Sox .OBP and plays horrible defense. This is a proven commodity and it will not change on the South Side. If we are going to stick more bad D in the outfield, let it be a guy that can really rake, like Castallanos. Otherwise, get someone that has some pop but can cover the ground out there too. For example, I would be fine if they finally pulled a deal for Joc.

Crossing fingers this is BS and the Sox go after better options.
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Old 12-07-2019, 11:41 AM
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There’s a rumor being spread on Twitter about Marcell Ozuna signing with the Sox on Monday. I’m not buying it one bit as it’s an unverified source with ties to Hector Gomez.

Also, Ozuna doesn’t exactly excite me as an addition to the Sox. That OF defense would be brutal.

He'd be a great everyday DH option or a better defender in LF than Eloy, pushing him to DH.
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Old 12-07-2019, 11:47 AM
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He'd be a great everyday DH option or a better defender in LF than Eloy, pushing him to DH.
I doubt it (although it is a pretty easy threshold to achieve). Plus, it has been clearly stated that Eloy is not moving to DH anytime soon. The guy has one big year at the plate. The rest have been bleh. Just another righthanded base clogger that doesn't get on base, hits some solo home runs, and can't play D.

And if true, they better not give him a long term deal. That is just pure idiocy. Oh yeah, and we lose a draft pick by signing him.....Joy.
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Old 12-07-2019, 11:56 AM
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Ozuna won a gold glove in 2017. Was that not deserved or did he used to be a good outfielder and isn't anymore?
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Old 12-07-2019, 12:07 PM
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He actually hasn't played a lot of games/innings in RF, but actually has his best defensive stats there.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...ndard_fielding
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Old 12-07-2019, 12:26 PM
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He actually hasn't played a lot of games/innings in RF, but actually has his best defensive stats there.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...ndard_fielding
36 out of his 65 career appearances in RF were in 2013, his rookie season.

I would rather have Joc Pederson; Ozuna in RF does not excite me at all.

However, if we’re using free agent dollars to fill RF rather than the rotation, I hope we’re exploring trades to acquire starting pitching help.
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Old 12-07-2019, 12:28 PM
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36 out of his 65 career appearances in RF were in 2013, his rookie season.

I would rather have Joc Pederson; Ozuna in RF does not excite me at all.

However, if we’re using free agent dollars to fill RF rather than the rotation, I hope we’re exploring trades to acquire starting pitching help.
Depends on the dollar and length of contract and so far it is just a rumor.
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Old 12-07-2019, 12:36 PM
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Bob Nightengale is reporting that the Phillies are going to be an aggressive suitor on Anthony Rendon...and that this was part of their pitch for Zach Wheeler.
When is the last time Nightengale was right about anything? I've learned to ignore everything he reports. He seems to have the "throw everything at the wall and see what sticks" approach to reporting. As do many of these guys.

I hope the rumors about Ozuna are untrue. The Sox shouldn't spend for the sake of spending.
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