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Old 02-14-2020, 09:31 AM
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Not a fan of moving any prospects of any value at this stage of the process.

I think we're still primarily building for 2021+, we can contend this year, and should be >.500- but closing gaps of >20 games with Minnesota and Cleveland in a single season is a real stretch.

Let's see how all the injured prospects do in 2020 (Kopech, Dunning, Burdi, Lambert, Basabe, Adolfo, Burger (is he still alive?)) as well as some others who kind of "stalled" last season (Hanson, Gonzalez), and the guys who are steadlily progressing (Vaughn, Stiever, Flores, Sheets, Rutherford)- then we can fill in the gaps as needed.
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Old 02-14-2020, 09:47 AM
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Not a fan of moving any prospects of any value at this stage of the process.

I think we're still primarily building for 2021+, we can contend this year, and should be >.500- but closing gaps of >20 games with Minnesota and Cleveland in a single season is a real stretch.

Let's see how all the injured prospects do in 2020 (Kopech, Dunning, Burdi, Lambert, Basabe, Adolfo, Burger (is he still alive?)) as well as some others who kind of "stalled" last season (Hanson, Gonzalez), and the guys who are steadlily progressing (Vaughn, Stiever, Flores, Sheets, Rutherford)- then we can fill in the gaps as needed.
The group of 23-year old OFers in Adolfo, Basabe and Rutherford is one Iím looking very forward to seeing this year. Add in the 24-year old Gonzalez and you have some decent odds on someone bouncing back and establishing real value. Itís going to be interesting how they handle the spots in Charlotte, because Iím sure everyone wants to get out of Bham and into a park that builds confidence. Adolfo is the obvious hold back candidate with all the time missed, but all of them have a lot to prove.
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Old 02-14-2020, 10:20 AM
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Fry's s innings pitched and division between LH and RH batters faced were nearly identical in 2018 and 2019. But he basically doubled his walks allowed. Still, he has yet to allow a HR to a LH hitter in his career. I'd probably be just as comfortable with him as with hoping that McGee's problems are all Colorado related (his road numbers were less than exemplary as well)
In the era of 3 batter minimum, not sure that the "handness" of relievers makes much difference anyway.
I guess the Sox could get a veteran infielder; but the help there would be marginal, and I certainly wouldn't trade any pitching for it.
Yes. He nearly doubled his walks allowed. That is extremely sketchy to have as the only lefty to shoulder some of Bummerís workload. Besides, Fry can always get more innings by pitching better.
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Old 02-14-2020, 10:22 AM
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Not a fan of moving any prospects of any value at this stage of the process.
I donít see anyone advocating for that.
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Old 02-14-2020, 11:26 PM
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I like Fry. He certainly has his fair share of awful moments, but his 23% IRS is good stuff and he has shown stretches of dominance. A close look at his game log 7 of his 68 appearances make his stats vastly worse than he was overall - including 17 of the 33 (all) runs he let cross the plate all season. Those are the memorable moments, though and his rough start stuck out. He was definitely not afraid to walk a guy in 19, which was maddening and it shortened too many outings. He was definitely all over the place with regularity last season.

Purely from a viewing standpoint, I like his stuff and pitching style a lot. So far, he seems like a feel pitcher who will get in grooves and funks. I think he has decent odds at performing up to his 18 stats. Who knows with RPs, though?
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Old 02-15-2020, 09:45 AM
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Not a fan of moving any prospects of any value at this stage of the process.

I think we're still primarily building for 2021+, we can contend this year, and should be >.500- but closing gaps of >20 games with Minnesota and Cleveland in a single season is a real stretch.
+1, although I could see us catching Cleveland...not because we'll win 90 games, but because there's a fair chance they hit a cliff.
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Old 02-15-2020, 09:52 AM
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+1, although I could see us catching Cleveland...not because we'll win 90 games, but because there's a fair chance they hit a cliff.
Clevinger is going on the IL for a torn meniscus repair. IMO that knocks Cleveland down to our .500ish level. The big difference is that their manager will get them those 3 or 4 extra wins on the margins, while our manager will get us those 3 or 4 extra losses on the margins.
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Old 02-20-2020, 08:34 PM
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Clevinger is going on the IL for a torn meniscus repair. IMO that knocks Cleveland down to our .500ish level. The big difference is that their manager will get them those 3 or 4 extra wins on the margins, while our manager will get us those 3 or 4 extra losses on the margins.
Bull****- Rentaria has spent his entire career managing teams in rebuilding modes- thereís no way to have any real evidence of his impact on a team with a legitimate chance to contend. Weíll have that evidence by the fall- until then heís earned the chance to prove himself.
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Old 02-21-2020, 11:50 AM
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https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2020/02/21...r-yasiel-puig/

I don't buy it, but...ok.
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Old 02-21-2020, 04:16 PM
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Bull****- Rentaria has spent his entire career managing teams in rebuilding modes- thereís no way to have any real evidence of his impact on a team with a legitimate chance to contend. Weíll have that evidence by the fall- until then heís earned the chance to prove himself.
Yes he has, I'd like Renteria to be the guy that leads us to the promised land.
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Old 02-21-2020, 06:03 PM
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Bull****- Rentaria has spent his entire career managing teams in rebuilding modes- thereís no way to have any real evidence of his impact on a team with a legitimate chance to contend. Weíll have that evidence by the fall- until then heís earned the chance to prove himself.
And then...it'll all depend on the bullpen. Always does. I love baseball.
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Old 02-21-2020, 06:58 PM
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Clevinger is going on the IL for a torn meniscus repair. IMO that knocks Cleveland down to our .500ish level. The big difference is that their manager will get them those 3 or 4 extra wins on the margins, while our manager will get us those 3 or 4 extra losses on the margins.
Renteria would be a World Series winning manager if Joe Maddon didn't have an out in his deal with the Rays
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Old 02-21-2020, 09:48 PM
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Please let this happen.
I'm on board. For a team whose Achilles heel could be OF defense, having a late-game defensive lineup of Engel, Robert, and Puig would be pretty awesome. That lineup could probably get a few starts against LHP as well, with Eloy taking some DH reps.

Unlike you, I don't think jettisoning Leury is the way to go to make room for Puig. I think they still need to have two reserves who are capable of playing a position in the IF. Suppose Moncada is taking a few days off due to soreness or whatever (this happens a few times a year, seemingly), and then another player gets hurt mid-game. Who's going to come in and be the emergency IF?

I'd rather go with a 7-man bullpen, which seems reasonable with the 3-batter minimum.
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Old 02-21-2020, 10:36 PM
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Man, it would all be about Abreu and his ability to provide that environment that Puig can thrive in. Again, though, in spite of clear talent - Puig is still a FA into TC. Rox shooting down the same Gomez report which proclaimed their interest. A ploy to get an extra year? If so, **** that already.

I know they believe in the value for which they got Mazara and like him in camp.
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