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Old 10-10-2019, 03:53 PM
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I’m fully on board the Zack Wheeler express.
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Old 10-10-2019, 03:57 PM
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Excellent choice. Someone who knows the kids who are coming up next year. An outsider would need name tags.
“Frankie seemed like the guy that would get us to another phase of development with our players,” manager Rick Renteria said."

"That phase would be more ‘grinding out’ at-bats, chasing fewer pitches out of the strike zone and higher on-base rates"

https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-s...-hitting-coach

Clearly Mohoney was not consulted on this hire.


Same philosophy; different face...
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Old 10-10-2019, 04:06 PM
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“Frankie seemed like the guy that would get us to another phase of development with our players,” manager Rick Renteria said."

"That phase would be more ‘grinding out’ at-bats, chasing fewer pitches out of the strike zone and higher on-base rates"

https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-s...-hitting-coach

Clearly Mohoney was not consulted on this hire.


Same philosophy; different face...
Settling for singles in a home run world...

Hitting too many home runs and not enough singles was not our problem last year. Our problem was that the ball didn’t go over the big ****ing fence anywhere near enough times.
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Old 10-10-2019, 04:08 PM
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I’m fully on board the Zack Wheeler express.
I’m not convinced that it won’t break down a few miles up the track.
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Old 10-10-2019, 04:11 PM
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A new era of Sox baseball is coming, and now, we'll have new hitting ideas with it.
Sounds exactly like Todd Steverson to me...
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Old 10-10-2019, 05:03 PM
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I was referring to his coaching career; but you are correct about the Sox drafting him in 1993 and employing him for the first four years of his minor league playing career. He hasn't been a member of the White Sox organization since 1997!
First five years.

1993 22 Hickory Crawdads South Atlantic League A CHW
1993 22 GCL White Sox Gulf Coast League Rk CHW
1994 23 South Bend Silver Hawks Midwest League A CHW
1995 24 Prince William Cannons Carolina League A+ CHW
1996 25 Birmingham Barons Southern League AA CHW
1997 26 Birmingham Barons Southern League AA CHW
1997 26 Nashville Sounds American Association AAA CHW
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Old 10-10-2019, 05:30 PM
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I’m not convinced that it won’t break down a few miles up the track.
Nearly every FA SP worth a damn comes with some injury concern.

With how many FA SPs fail completely or break down quickly, I’d rather take a gamble on an arm like his than toss cheap deals out to guys who best profile as “crafty” back of the rotation guys.
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Old 10-10-2019, 06:37 PM
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“Frankie seemed like the guy that would get us to another phase of development with our players,” manager Rick Renteria said."

"That phase would be more ‘grinding out’ at-bats, chasing fewer pitches out of the strike zone and higher on-base rates"

https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-s...-hitting-coach

Clearly Mohoney was not consulted on this hire.


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The Sox need to improve their K/BB ratio badly, and "grinding out ABs" will help. To me that means what happens in an AB once you get to 2 strikes. That is certainly an area that needs improvement upon for pretty much every hitter currently. They lack a solid 2 strike approach. As good as Moncada was last year, he had an OPS of .531 with 2 strikes. Just imagine how good he can be if he gets that number anywhere near .650-.700.
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Old 10-10-2019, 06:57 PM
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The Sox need to improve their K/BB ratio badly, and "grinding out ABs" will help. To me that means what happens in an AB once you get to 2 strikes. That is certainly an area that needs improvement upon for pretty much every hitter currently. They lack a solid 2 strike approach. As good as Moncada was last year, he had an OPS of .531 with 2 strikes. Just imagine how good he can be if he gets that number anywhere near .650-.700.
Their definition of “grind,” “grinding,” and “grinder” usually equates to “tiny person who usually hits the ball on the ground.” In other words, players whose time in this game has passed.

They invested a #4 overall pick on a slap hitter. They had a slap hitter leading off for most of the year. They even had a slap hitter hit ****ing cleanup, for crying out loud.

I see a disturbing trend here.
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Old 10-10-2019, 07:12 PM
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This is a misapplication of a stat. Think about it intuitively. Your 2-strike OPS includes all your strikeouts. Of course it is going to be bad.

The league split for OPS with 2 strikes was .533 last year. Only 39 players had a 2-strike OPS over .700 last year. I’m not ready to knock a guy who is decidedly above average in most other areas for being merely average in this area.

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Old 10-10-2019, 07:26 PM
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Their definition of “grind,” “grinding,” and “grinder” usually equates to “tiny person who usually hits the ball on the ground.” In other words, players whose time in this game has passed.

They invested a #4 overall pick on a slap hitter. They had a slap hitter leading off for most of the year. They even had a slap hitter hit ****ing cleanup, for crying out loud.

I see a disturbing trend here.
No. Grinding out an AB is being a tough out when you have 2 strikes and extending the AB, not K'ing up immediately. Includes fouling off tough pitches, taking balls out of the zone, getting hits the other way, and overall wearing out a pitcher with more stressful ABs and adding to his pitch count. This is important to get more out of 2 strike ABs and shortening outings of SP's. Has nothing to do with turning players in to slap hitters.
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Old 10-10-2019, 07:32 PM
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This is a misapplication of a stat. Think about it intuitively. Your 2-strike OPS includes all your strikeouts. Of course it is going to be bad.

The league split for OPS with 2 strikes was .533 last year. Only 39 players had a 2-strike OPS over .700 last year. I’m not ready to knock a guy who is decidedly above average in most other areas for being merely average in this area.
Except Moncada is not league average at all overall. Rafael Devers had pretty much the same exact OPS as him this year and his 2 strike OPS was .683. Moncada for his skill set and output is producing well below what other top players are doing with 2 strikes. He has room to improve for sure.
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Old 10-10-2019, 08:10 PM
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Except Moncada is not league average at all overall. Rafael Devers had pretty much the same exact OPS as him this year and his 2 strike OPS was .683. Moncada for his skill set and output is producing well below what other top players are doing with 2 strikes. He has room to improve for sure.
Yoan Moncada is susceptible to wipeout pitches. The horror...
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Old 10-10-2019, 08:58 PM
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Yoan Moncada is susceptible to wipeout pitches. The horror...
After his second full season in the majors at the age of 24...
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Old 10-10-2019, 08:58 PM
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No. Grinding out an AB is being a tough out when you have 2 strikes and extending the AB, not K'ing up immediately. Includes fouling off tough pitches, taking balls out of the zone, getting hits the other way, and overall wearing out a pitcher with more stressful ABs and adding to his pitch count. This is important to get more out of 2 strike ABs and shortening outings of SP's. Has nothing to do with turning players in to slap hitters.
Exactly.
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