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Old 09-29-2019, 05:50 PM
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Not the season we wanted, but better than we've had for several years, including the fake "win now" teams in 2015 and 2016.

Hahn, you're on the clock.
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Old 09-29-2019, 06:03 PM
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Solid progress for offense. Hopefully the pitching gets better for next year.
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Old 09-29-2019, 06:30 PM
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For me this season was just dramatically better than the misery of the past few years. I may be in the minority here by looking at the bright spots. But I'm happy to do so. Looking forward to next year.
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Old 09-29-2019, 06:31 PM
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Old 09-29-2019, 08:57 PM
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For me this season was just dramatically better than the misery of the past few years. I may be in the minority here by looking at the bright spots. But I'm happy to do so. Looking forward to next year.
You may be in the minority - but I would say only in terms of number of negative posts vs. positive posts. I think most Sox fans (including me) feel the same way you do.

I can't wait until next season!
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Old 09-29-2019, 10:30 PM
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For me this season was just dramatically better than the misery of the past few years. I may be in the minority here by looking at the bright spots. But I'm happy to do so. Looking forward to next year.
You're not.

90% of the consistently negative posts come from a core of about 8 or 9 people.
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Old 09-29-2019, 10:35 PM
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You're not.

90% of the consistently negative posts come from a core of about 8 or 9 people.
The real question is whether or not the team will do whatever it takes to complement this core.
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Old 09-29-2019, 11:27 PM
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The real question is whether or not the team will do whatever it takes to complement this core.

Do you mean the core of players/prospects that would have made signing Machado last season at best a redundant drain on resources and more likely a contractual black hole, or do you mean the core referred to in the post you were responding to? If the front office makes an effort to complement the core of negative posters (it used to be that negative posters were referred to here as realists), that wouldn't be a good thing.

I don't see how anyone can be energized with the pitching this year other than the breakthrough season for Giolito. The pitching staff, from the No. 2 starter almost through the bullpen carries the burden a series of question marks.
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Old 09-29-2019, 11:13 PM
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You're not.

90% of the consistently negative posts come from a core of about 8 or 9 people.
Thatís right. Funny how that perception happens on message boards.
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Old 09-29-2019, 11:20 PM
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Old 09-30-2019, 09:30 AM
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For the most part, the guys who the Sox were depending on to contribute did so--in a BIG way.

The problem with this year's team were the major holes at 2B, CF, RF, and DH. Not to mention the lack of pitching depth.

The rotation next year will feature Giolito, Cease, Kopech, and Lopez. Whether or not all of them should be considered for the role is another question, but there is really only one pitching spot available to be upgraded and the Sox have more than enough money to do so.

Seeing as Robert and Madrigal will be up two weeks into April, the Sox are only a RF and DH short--and they can fill both of those positions with quality veterans for far less than they were prepared to offer Manny Machado.

2020 should be a big jump for the Sox. 90+ wins might be a bit ambitious with all of the young players, but over 80 wins should be the expectation IMHO
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Only one pitching spot?

Giolito could regress. Kopech, Cease, and Lopez might take a year or more to get it together. They only have half a bullpen. Anyone could get hurt, and some will.

Ideally they would find a #1 starter, a #3 starter, and two high-leverage relievers. The #1 starter is Giolito insurance. The #3 pushes Kopech, Cease, and Lopez down in the pecking order to give them easier matchups and the option of moving the weakest to the bullpen. The high-leverage relievers are so we never have to see the likes of Ruiz again.
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I don't disagree with anything you're saying, but I do think the Sox are going to give those four every opportunity next year
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As they should. They need to replace the likes of Covey, Fulmer, Banuelos, Santiago, Detwiler, Santana, Despaigne, Ruiz, Minaya, and Vieira with actual major league pitchers. The best way to do that is to acquire top-end pitching, not more scrubs.
This. Even if Kopech and/or Cease struggle and take time to get it together, they WILL have spots in our rotation unless they get injured or have a major meltdown. That's how it should be. These two pitchers are top talents and have been among the top prospects in baseball. You don't just give up on these kind of guys and bury them in the bullpen or the minors if they're not lights out from the get go.

I've seen others suggest that the Sox need to fill at least 3 spots (if not four!) in their rotation from the outside. Total nonsense. They can't run this team like a bunch of chicken littles and burn through payroll and prospects to acquire 3 or 4 veteran starting pitchers because they're afraid that Giolito will regress and Cease and Kopech will be busts.

At most, the Sox should go for 2 starting pitchers: They should go out and get one TOR guy. They also should get a back of the rotation innings eater in case Lopez continues to struggle or one of their starters gets hurt.

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Old 09-30-2019, 09:39 AM
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My TOR targets would be Cole, then Strasburg. Getting 1 of those 2 plus another starter (like Quintana or Wheeler) would improve the rotation immensely. RF are DH are currently black holes as well. Castellanos has a great bat but an awful glove.
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Old 09-30-2019, 09:53 AM
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This. Even if Kopech and/or Cease struggle and take time to get it together, they WILL have spots in our rotation unless they get injured or have a major meltdown. That's how it should be. These two pitchers are top talents and have been among the top prospects in baseball. You don't just give up on these kind of guys and bury them in the bullpen or the minors if they're not lights out from the get go.

I've seen others suggest that the Sox need to fill at least 3 spots (if not four!) in their rotation from the outside. Total nonsense. They can't run this team like a bunch of chicken littles and burn through payroll and prospects to acquire 3 or 4 veteran starting pitchers because they're afraid that Giolito will regress and Cease and Kopech will be busts.

At most, the Sox should go for 2 starting pitchers: The should go out and get one TOR guy. They also should get a back of the rotation innings eater in case Lopez continues to struggle or one of their starters gets hurt.
I think this line of thinking will be very popular with Sox management and with JR. Recall, leadership is already very skeptical of long contracts in general, and JR has stated in the past that he is especially skeptical of long contracts for pitchers. On top of that, both Machado and Harper are arguably underperforming their mega-contracts in Year 1, and while in theory this has nothing at all to do with Gerrit Cole or Stephen Strasburg, you have to imagine that in JR's head he's seeing this as a sign that he was right about big contracts for FAs.

There's a chance that the Sox will be able to fill the rotation entirely with cheap in-house talent. A small chance, but a chance. I can't see Sox leadership not rolling the dice on that chance. It's just too attractive to them.

Further, below Cole and maybe Strasburg (who might not opt out and might want to go home to...wait for it...San Diego), I'm skeptical of the value of the FA pitchers.

Even I might be tempted by the strategy of see what the homegrown talent can do, and then if the Sox are in it at the deadline try to find a starter via trade.
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Old 09-29-2019, 06:39 PM
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I was talking to my friend about this. The map for Hahn is simple; we need pitching and probably a RF and DH. The execution is most likely not simple but it is at least clear what needs to be done.
Now look at the Cubs. I wouldn't even know where to start. They have ton of money committed in bad contracts, they been very irregular in hitting over the past few years, their bullpen is a big question, the starting pitching is aging.
The White Sox ended up on the wrong side of .500 this season but I feel we're in better shape than the cross-towners.
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Old 09-29-2019, 07:02 PM
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Excluding injuries- nearly all of the "core", premier prospects had really nice years- other than Lopez, who showed some flashes.

Internal addtions like Robert, Madrigal and Kopech combined with another year of progress from Yoan, Eloy, TA7, Giolito, Lopez and Cease- could make for a fun 2020.
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