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Old 09-18-2017, 08:42 PM
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You are correct sir. I don't know if a trade was actually on the table but Schueler said he simply wouldn't trade Ruffcorn or Bolton.

Fun fact: Scott Ruffcorn ended his career with a record of 0-8. He appeared in 30 games and his teams' record in those games is 0-30. He never once tasted victory in his career. That has to be a record.
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Old 09-18-2017, 09:37 PM
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Fun fact: Scott Ruffcorn ended his career with a record of 0-8. He appeared in 30 games and his teams' record in those games is 0-30. He never once tasted victory in his career. That has to be a record.
You've got a different definition of "fun" than I do.
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Old 09-18-2017, 10:08 PM
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Kip Wells and Aaron Myette were going to great too. With Garland, they were supposed to make a great 1-2-3 of righties. In the same era, Biddle, Buehrle, Ginter, Fogg, and Rauch all put up real nice numbers in the minors, and Barcelo was still thought highly of too if he could stay healthy.

Things don't always pan out.
Well, one did.

Buehrle had only 217 innings in the minors. He debuted at 20, throwing 98.2 pretty good innings in A ball. Still, he had an ERA of 4.10 and gave up more than one hit per inning.

For some reason the Sox pushed him. He started his age-21 season in Birmingham. He threw 118 very good innings there, was called up to the Sox, and never went back down.

Some guys can handle the challenge. Some can't.

For comparison, consider Bernardo Flores, the 30th ranked prospect in the system. He's a 21-year old lefty who justed posted a season in A/A+ ball that looks a lot like Buehrle's first. Is it likely he'll be in Chicago by the end of 2018? No, but the trail has been blazed. ;-)

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Old 09-19-2017, 08:15 AM
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Fun fact: Scott Ruffcorn ended his career with a record of 0-8. He appeared in 30 games and his teams' record in those games is 0-30. He never once tasted victory in his career. That has to be a record.
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Old 09-19-2017, 08:53 AM
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Let's not use slightly above average, non top 100 prospects as harbingers of things to come. Myette, Biddle, Fogg, Barcelo, Honel, Bolton, etc. were pumped by the Sox and that was about it.

None of these guys were as highly regarded as Rodon, Giolito or Lopez.
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Old 09-19-2017, 09:05 AM
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....and I'm not saying that all these new guys will turn out to be Ruffcorn 2.0 by any means. Kopech is the top rated pitching prospect in MLB baseball, not just in the Sox system. Alec Hansen is very intriguing. At one time, he was touted as perhaps the #1 overall pick in the MLB draft. Then he struggled in his final year in college and he slipped to the 2nd round in the draft. Since being drafted, he's been very impressive in the minors and led all minor league pitchers in strikeouts this year.

But, that being said, prospects do fizzle out or suffer arm injuries. None of these guys is guaranteed to be in the 2020 starting rotation.

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Old 09-19-2017, 10:12 AM
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Let's not use slightly above average, non top 100 prospects as harbingers of things to come. Myette, Biddle, Fogg, Barcelo, Honel, Bolton, etc. were pumped by the Sox and that was about it.

None of these guys were as highly regarded as Rodon, Giolito or Lopez.
I actually didn't see this before I made my latest post.

Agreed about the 3 you mentioned currently in the majors and, as I mentioned, Kopech and Hansen are more than just over-hyped prospects. That could be a lights-out rotation 1 through 5 if everyone stays healthy.

I think Ruffcorn is the one who really stands out to me over the past flops you mentioned because I seem to remember Sox brass feeling he was practically untouchable come trade time.
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Old 09-19-2017, 12:03 PM
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I think Ruffcorn is the one who really stands out to me over the past flops you mentioned because I seem to remember Sox brass feeling he was practically untouchable come trade time.
Agreed, Ruffcorn qualifies as the biggest pitching bust the Sox have had in a very long time. I'd put Rauch ahead of him, but at least he had an excuse with his shoulder injury.

I guess Honel and Myette were top 100 guys after all, hard to believe Honel was considering his minor league production was not great.
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Old 09-19-2017, 01:21 PM
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Let's not use slightly above average, non top 100 prospects as harbingers of things to come. Myette, Biddle, Fogg, Barcelo, Honel, Bolton, etc. were pumped by the Sox and that was about it.

None of these guys were as highly regarded as Rodon, Giolito or Lopez.
And, while nothing is guaranteed or perfect, hasn't the proliferation of scouting reports and advanced statistics made the art and science of prospect predictions somewhat better than 15-20 years ago?
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Old 09-19-2017, 01:54 PM
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And, while nothing is guaranteed or perfect, hasn't the proliferation of scouting reports and advanced statistics made the art and science of prospect predictions somewhat better than 15-20 years ago?
I'd say mostly better. I mean, if nothing else, talent evaluators have more than just the traditional stats and "eye test" to judge prospects, and that has to account for something. I'd like to see statistics back that up, too: I remember reading somewhere a few years back that someone went back through every MLB draft from the 2000s to the 50s and found that less than 2% of all players actually went on to play in MLB for an extended period of time (3+ years, IIRC). If talent evaluators have gotten better/have better tools to judge prospects, I'd expect that said number to go up some.
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I'd say mostly better. I mean, if nothing else, talent evaluators have more than just the traditional stats and "eye test" to judge prospects, and that has to account for something. I'd like to see statistics back that up, too: I remember reading somewhere a few years back that someone went back through every MLB draft from the 2000s to the 50s and found that less than 2% of all players actually went on to play in MLB for an extended period of time (3+ years, IIRC). If talent evaluators have gotten better/have better tools to judge prospects, I'd expect that said number to go up some.
Think about how other factors have changed also. Nowadays there's tons of video on every "can't miss" prospect in every sport from the time they are in middle school. Much easier to assess talent even by eye these days than it was even 20 years ago because there's s much more video to watch.
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