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Old 07-24-2019, 10:07 AM
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Post Nice piece on Moncada

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...npy-story.html

Good article, but Mr. Pope needs to read up on our minor league system. Who the hell wants Robert to hit leadoff? Has he heard of Madrigal?
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Old 07-24-2019, 10:43 AM
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Good article, but Mr. Pope needs to read up on our minor league system. Who the hell wants Robert to hit leadoff? Has he heard of Madrigal?
Robert has been mostly batting leadoff all through his minor league run. He's a top of the order bat, no doubt, the question of where he hits is up for grabs, but he is expected to hit for power, average and draw walks and post an OPS of .900+ in time. He's also go the speed to steal bases almost at will.

With Madrigal's bat control and K rate he'd actually make a great #2 hitter if he can continue to develop gap power and hit the occasional HR if that doesn't go as well as we'd like he might actually end up hitting 9th.
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Old 07-24-2019, 11:06 AM
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Good article, but Mr. Pope needs to read up on our minor league system. Who the hell wants Robert to hit leadoff? Has he heard of Madrigal?
Robert absolutely should lead off or hit #2. Ideally, Madrigal is the weakest offensive performer in the lineup and hits 9th.

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Thatís a 1-4 on the level of the Astros or Yankees. Imagine being a pitcher having to face that right out of the gate.
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Robert absolutely should lead off or hit #2. Ideally, Madrigal is the weakest offensive performer in the lineup and hits 9th.

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Eloy

Thatís a 1-4 on the level of the Astros or Yankees. Imagine being a pitcher having to face that right out of the gate.
I don't think anyone has the slightest idea of what Madrigal will do at the major league level, but he has yet to post an OBP below .346 in the minors. If he is getting on base at a .340 clip, he should lead off.
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I don't think anyone has the slightest idea of what Madrigal will do at the major league level, but he has yet to post an OBP below .346 in the minors. If he is getting on base at a .340 clip, he should lead off.
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Old 07-24-2019, 01:22 PM
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I don't think anyone has the slightest idea of what Madrigal will do at the major league level, but he has yet to post an OBP below .346 in the minors. If he is getting on base at a .340 clip, he should lead off.
You only lead off once per game. Meanwhile, we’re talking about anywhere between 120 and 150 extra plate appearances per year between the #9 hitter and #1 hitter. I want those going to someone who has a chance of producing 7, 8, maybe even 10 home runs with those extra plate appearances, not someone who will produce 1 or 2 at the most. I also want him to have the least likely chance to come to the plate with 2 outs in the 9th and the team in need of a home run.
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You only lead off once per game. Meanwhile, weíre talking about anywhere between 120 and 150 extra plate appearances per year between the #9 hitter and #1 hitter. I want those going to someone who has a chance of producing 7, 8, maybe even 10 home runs with those extra plate appearances, not someone who will produce 1 or 2 at the most. I also want him to have the least likely chance to come to the plate with 2 outs in the 9th and the team in need of a home run.
Actually, the leadoff hitter is guaranteed to lead off at least once per game.
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Old 07-24-2019, 02:28 PM
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Robert fits the profile of what the advanced analytics people say a leadoff hitter should look like. Madrigal fits the profile of what the traditionalists say a leadoff hitter should look like. I doubt they'll be coming to a consensus anytime soon.

The Sox will probably opt for Madrigal in the event that both make it to the majors and stick as MLB players.
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Robert absolutely should lead off or hit #2. Ideally, Madrigal is the weakest offensive performer in the lineup and hits 9th.

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Moncada
Eloy

Thatís a 1-4 on the level of the Astros or Yankees. Imagine being a pitcher having to face that right out of the gate.
If we get to the point where Madrigal is the weakest part of the lineup and the argument is whether he should hit 9th to give him the fewest number of at bats as statistically possible - I don't know what the right answer will be for where to bat him, but man that sounds like a really exciting team to watch.
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Old 07-24-2019, 04:06 PM
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If we get to the point where Madrigal is the weakest part of the lineup and the argument is whether he should hit 9th to give him the fewest number of at bats as statistically possible - I don't know what the right answer will be for where to bat him, but man that sounds like a really exciting team to watch.
Thatís the whole point. The Yankees, Astros, Braves, and Dodgers all hit the crap out of the ball. Itís just a necessity nowadays.

Luckily, we have long-term options who look like they can provide some thump at 3B, SS, 1B, DH, CF, LF, and C. If your bottom-third is something like Rutherford (my guess for the non-Robert OF who will complete the outfield puzzle in 2021), Collins, and Madrigal, youíre going to be able to score runs against any pitchers in a 7-game series.
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