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Old 07-24-2019, 10:41 PM
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The Renteria issue can be addressed in 2 seconds and probably will be soon enough. But he's a symptom, not the cause, nor is his removal the solution.
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Old 07-24-2019, 11:06 PM
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The Renteria issue can be addressed in 2 seconds and probably will be soon enough. But he's a symptom, not the cause, nor is his removal the solution.
Im getting a sinking feeling that they view Renteria as an asset and not a liability.
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Old 07-25-2019, 09:22 AM
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Im getting a sinking feeling that they view Renteria as an asset and not a liability.
Without highjacking this, I have profound concerns about the front office and ownership that could hamper the Sox ability to compete.

However I think that there is still a chance the Sox could develop a roster that is so talented almost anyone could manage the team and succeed. The Royals were able to win two pennants with Ned Yost as their manager, so I think Renteria could lead the Sox to the playoffs with a talented enough roster.
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Old 07-25-2019, 09:38 AM
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If the Sox next year are the Padres this year, I consider that growth.

So 2021 is my answer.
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Old 07-25-2019, 09:39 AM
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I would hardly say Lopez has looked like a front of the rotation SP...... I mean Cubs fans claiming Yu Darvish is their Game 1 playoff starter off 2 starts sound way off base, and that is basically doing the same, throwing out a year of garbage over 1 good start and 1 very good start.

Lopez has to do this for an entire half of baseball to have a locked in spot next year to me.
Amen. Small sample sizes are the opiate of sports fans.
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Old 07-25-2019, 09:42 AM
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I think they go .500ish in 2020, getting exciting production from numerous young players who still nevertheless are inconsistent but growing.

I think 2021 is when most of the lineup and rotation slots are producing with young players, and gets more consistent as it gets more experience. It strikes me as the type of team that may have an extended stretch of inconsistent play at the beginning of the season, before finishing strong around 90 wins.
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Old 07-25-2019, 10:50 AM
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Amen. Small sample sizes are the opiate of sports fans.
It's not the sample size it's the changes to his pitches that has me saying he is looking more like a top 3 pitcher. He's throwing his breaking pitches for strikes. he couldn't do that at all early in the season with any consistency. If he can continue to throw those pitches for strikes his fastball gains a notch and becomes much harder for the hitters to sit on.

Can he do it consistently is the question. IF he can (and that was always part of the statement that DS replied to) THEN he's a guy who can be counted on to be top of the rotation material and that makes next year look a WHOLE lot better.
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Old 07-25-2019, 02:07 PM
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If the Sox next year are the Padres this year, I consider that growth.

So 2021 is my answer.

I mean...the Padres went out and signed a young star to a $300 million contract to play alongside their young core. So...yes. I'd be ecstatic if we signed Anthony Rendon to a $300 million deal in the offseason to plug around existing pieces and help us compete for a wild card (which the Padres are already doing). I...just don't see that happening. So 2021 or 2022, depending on health.

On a side note about the Padres...has anyone else been keeping tabs on MacKenzie Gore? That kid might be the best pitcher in baseball when he arrives...which could even be in time for the playoffs this year.
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Old 07-25-2019, 02:20 PM
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I mean...the Padres went out and signed a young star to a $300 million contract to play alongside their young core. So...yes. I'd be ecstatic if we signed Anthony Rendon to a $300 million deal in the offseason to plug around existing pieces and help us compete for a wild card (which the Padres are already doing). I...just don't see that happening. So 2021 or 2022, depending on health.

On a side note about the Padres...has anyone else been keeping tabs on MacKenzie Gore? That kid might be the best pitcher in baseball when he arrives...which could even be in time for the playoffs this year.
Which is irrelevant to SDs playoff chances since they will only be watching them and not playing in them.
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Old 07-25-2019, 02:21 PM
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I mean...the Padres went out and signed a young star to a $300 million contract to play alongside their young core. So...yes. I'd be ecstatic if we signed Anthony Rendon to a $300 million deal in the offseason to plug around existing pieces and help us compete for a wild card (which the Padres are already doing). I...just don't see that happening. So 2021 or 2022, depending on health.

On a side note about the Padres...has anyone else been keeping tabs on MacKenzie Gore? That kid might be the best pitcher in baseball when he arrives...which could even be in time for the playoffs this year.
Padres are 6 games under .500 and 6.5 games out of the second wild card with 4 teams between them and that spot. Their run differential is -47 and they are 3-7 over their last 10.
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Old 07-25-2019, 02:40 PM
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Padres are 6 games under .500 and 6.5 games out of the second wild card with 4 teams between them and that spot. Their run differential is -47 and they are 3-7 over their last 10.

Ah...didn't realize they fell off the last week. That's unfortunate. They'll probably keep Gore down then, I'd assume.
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It's not the sample size it's the changes to his pitches that has me saying he is looking more like a top 3 pitcher. He's throwing his breaking pitches for strikes. he couldn't do that at all early in the season with any consistency. If he can continue to throw those pitches for strikes his fastball gains a notch and becomes much harder for the hitters to sit on.

Can he do it consistently is the question. IF he can (and that was always part of the statement that DS replied to) THEN he's a guy who can be counted on to be top of the rotation material and that makes next year look a WHOLE lot better.
I can get behind some of this. Hes also been zipping his fastball near 97 since the break, which is a several MPH improvement.
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Old 07-26-2019, 07:20 AM
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As much as I dislike JR I gave him a pass on Machado and Harper, both were overpaid.
Yes it's time to open up the checkbook, as I stated earlier, JR is going to be 84, I'm sure he wants to see a contending team as much as we do.
Didn't both of them miss the ASG this year? That was interesting.
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Old 07-26-2019, 10:43 AM
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I can get behind some of this. Hes also been zipping his fastball near 97 since the break, which is a several MPH improvement.
I think the big thing is can he do it consistently, he's shown he's capable of putting together good starts but can he do it so often that the Sox can rely on him to put up those good starts consistently. That remains to be seen. And to be honest, I'd say the Sox still need to see whether or not Giolito can be consistent over the course of a full season.
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