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Old 12-13-2019, 10:37 AM
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Thatís true for all but the elite players.
Which has kind of been my point in all of this - We have the money and the situation right now to sign an elite player. Just imagine on any given day a lineup that was something like

Madrigal
Moncada
Grandal
Rendon
Eloy
Robert
Abreu
Anderson
Mazara

Look at what a guy like Rendon does to that group! So while I realize most of the 30+ mil deals end up bad in the end, we could front load it until these guys start costing us a lot of money, but if we win a title and make 3-4 straight playoffs, holy cow it was worth it.

An elite bat takes that lineup from dangerous to unstoppable
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Old 12-13-2019, 11:05 AM
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TA is probably due for some regression given his high BABIP from 2019. But he hit the ball hard and struck out less to go along with his high average. FG had a nice piece on him and the only thing they were a little concerned about was his low walk rate, which is fair.

Frankly I'm more concerned about his defense but I think he'll improve on that front. By all accounts he's a very hard worker.
I'm not worried about TA7's defense. Word was, as we saw on here, that Ricky encouraged him to try risky things on defense last season since we were not hunting for a playoff spot. We learn from mistakes and hopefully TA7 learned where his weaknesses are on the field when it comes to non-routine plays.
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Old 12-13-2019, 11:09 AM
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Which has kind of been my point in all of this - We have the money and the situation right now to sign an elite player. Just imagine on any given day a lineup that was something like

Madrigal
Moncada
Grandal
Rendon
Eloy
Robert
Abreu
Anderson
Mazara

Look at what a guy like Rendon does to that group! So while I realize most of the 30+ mil deals end up bad in the end, we could front load it until these guys start costing us a lot of money, but if we win a title and make 3-4 straight playoffs, holy cow it was worth it.

An elite bat takes that lineup from dangerous to unstoppable
While I generally disagree with the premise that the best way to build a consistent winner is to dramatically overpay for a player(s), I appreciate an opinion that is more nuanced than ďletís just pay the player whatever he asks for no matter how much.Ē
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Old 12-13-2019, 11:10 AM
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If I had to guess for next season (pure speculation):

Players who will improve in 2020
Moncada
Eloy
Mazara

Players who will regress in 2020
Anderson
Abreu

Players who will play to their career averages in 2020
Grandal

Unknowns in 2020
Robert / Madrigal - good baserunners, good defense, bats against major league pitching will be unknown

I know people keep saying we have a DH with some sort of rotation between 6 different players, but I'd still much prefer to have a player who DH's for most of the season.
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Old 12-13-2019, 11:16 AM
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I'm not worried about TA7's defense. Word was, as we saw on here, that Ricky encouraged him to try risky things on defense last season since we were not hunting for a playoff spot. We learn from mistakes and hopefully TA7 learned where his weaknesses are on the field when it comes to non-routine plays.
The weird thing about Anderson's defense is he will easily make these plays that make you go "Oh my God, how did he do that?!" but then he will boot a ground ball hit right at him or throw the ball away with a slow base runner trotting down first.

I'm not entirely too sure what is the cause behind that but I seem to recall reading an article by James Fegan that traced Anderson's career all the way back to high school and one of his coaches pointed out that when there was a play that required a lot of athleticism, Anderson would ALWAYS make those type of plays. But if there was an easier play, he struggled with those and it might be because Anderson was thinking about his technique, like "I need to make sure I don't drop my elbow, I need to do this..." and I don't know how you fix that. I think Alexei had the same problem sometimes too.
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Old 12-13-2019, 11:19 AM
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All I ask for in the upcoming season is more bat flips. Love them bat flips and how is pisses off the other team.
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Old 12-13-2019, 03:36 PM
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https://twitter.com/ChuckGarfien/sta...50307870998529

So...dumbest trade rumor of the offseason so far goes to Chuck Garfien by way of Peter Gammons. Look at this nonsense:

Red Sox get:
Nick Madrigal
Andrew Vaughn

White Sox get
David Price
Andrew Benintendi
Money

That might be one of the worst trade ideas I've ever seen.
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Old 12-13-2019, 03:40 PM
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https://twitter.com/ChuckGarfien/sta...50307870998529

So...dumbest trade rumor of the offseason so far goes to Chuck Garfien by way of Peter Gammons. Look at this nonsense:

Red Sox get:
Nick Madrigal
Andrew Vaughn

White Sox get
David Price
Andrew Benintendi
Money

That might be one of the worst trade ideas I've ever seen.
Yeah, Gammons is nuttier than squirrel turds.
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Old 12-13-2019, 03:42 PM
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If they throw in Devers, JD Martinez, and enough cash to make Reinsdorf crap his pants, then I'd consider making that deal.
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Old 12-13-2019, 03:49 PM
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Sure hope we start to see a domino of FAs and trades made after these guys have all talked and had time to mull everything over.
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Old 12-13-2019, 04:04 PM
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While I generally disagree with the premise that the best way to build a consistent winner is to dramatically overpay for a player(s), I appreciate an opinion that is more nuanced than ďletís just pay the player whatever he asks for no matter how much.Ē
Itís generally understood and accepted that the last few years on those deals are going to be underwater. That is the price you pay for success in the beginning few years of those deals. By the time those last few years arrive, youíre entering another tear-down and rebuild anyway.

Yoan Moncada is a free agent in 4 seasons. He is one of the three core pieces to this offense, with Eloy Jimenez and Luis Robert being the others. Lucas Giolito also is a free agent in 4 seasons, and he is one of the three core pieces to this rotation, with Michael Kopech and Dylan Cease being the others.

After signing Grandal, running out a not-ready-for-prime-time team in 2020 went from acceptable to unacceptable. Losing out on Wheeler did not suddenly make it acceptable again to punt on 2020. Yes, there will be lots of learning on the job from young players, but we already knew that. If they want to add Mazara to that group of developing guys, whatever. However, the complete lack of anything tying the Sox to Bumgarner at this stage is inexcusable. He should have been ďPlan BĒ if Wheeler went somewhere else. This team needed to spend about $40-$50 AAV on starting pitching this offseason anyway, because next yearís options are far inferior.

If a Price trade materializes, that may get things back on the right track, but that only completes half the work. Bumgarner or Keuchel would still be needed as well, and so far, I hear nothing except testy retorts from Rick Hahn about inaction at the meetings.
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Old 12-13-2019, 04:08 PM
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https://twitter.com/ChuckGarfien/sta...50307870998529

So...dumbest trade rumor of the offseason so far goes to Chuck Garfien by way of Peter Gammons. Look at this nonsense:

Red Sox get:
Nick Madrigal
Andrew Vaughn

White Sox get
David Price
Andrew Benintendi
Money

That might be one of the worst trade ideas I've ever seen.
Did he mean to type Mookie Betts?
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Old 12-13-2019, 04:13 PM
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Did he mean to type Mookie Betts?
That would be even dumber unless you can get Betts to sign a new contract.
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Old 12-13-2019, 04:27 PM
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That would be even dumber unless you can get Betts to sign a new contract.
Iím not looking to make that trade either, but Andrew Benintendi...has not been that great. In terms of trade value, 1 year of Betts > 3 years of Benintendi.

Benintendiís 2019 season looked a lot more like his 2017 season, and at this point, my main interest in him would stem from buying low. Iím certainly not interested in including either of those prospects in a package for him, let alone both.

Besides, the point of making a Price trade is to leverage MONEY for TALENT, not the other way around. We should be picking up the $96 and sending them scraps.
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Old 12-13-2019, 04:41 PM
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If they throw in Devers, JD Martinez, and enough cash to make Reinsdorf crap his pants, then I'd consider making that deal.
Sure I wouldnít trade both prospects in that deal but I surely would trade one of them. As for the Red Sox trading Devers you are out of your mind! Devers is worth much more than any of the White Sox prospects. Plus this reminds me of our prospects are all bonifide superstars and the other teams players arenít ! Ridiculous!
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