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Old 10-25-2019, 11:03 AM
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First World Series game in Washington DC since 1933 tonight. Contrary to what you may have assumed, Anibal Sanchez is not dead or retired, he's starting for the Nationals.
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Old 10-26-2019, 12:51 PM
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First time since 1996 and the eleventh time in World Series history where the road team has won the first three games.

The others
1996- Yankess-Braves; road team won the first five
1986- Mets-Red Sox; road team won the first four
1985- Royals-Cardinals; road team won the first three
1972- A's-Reds; road team won first three
1929- A's-Cubs; road team won the first three
1923- Yankees-Giants; road team won first four
1913- A's-Giants; road team won first three
1912 -Red Sox-Giants; road team won first three, with Game 2 actually ending in a tie
1906- White Sox-Cubs; road team won first five
1905- Giants-A's; road team won first three
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Old 10-26-2019, 07:37 PM
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This could easily be a repeat of 1996 given the Astros rotation. The Nationals now have to beat one of Cole, Verlander, or Greinke to win the World Series. If they lose tonight, the need to beat TWO of those.
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Old 10-26-2019, 07:43 PM
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This could easily be a repeat of 1996 given the Astros rotation. The Nationals now have to beat one of Cole, Verlander, or Greinke to win the World Series. If they lose tonight, the need to beat TWO of those.
As if they can't be beat.
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Old 10-26-2019, 08:12 PM
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As if they can't be beat.
Cole has lost just 1 of his previous 25 starts. Verlander, meanwhile, may beat him out for the Cy Young.
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Old 10-27-2019, 12:38 AM
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Astros take back home field advantage, which of course means nothing in this Series so far. Now a best-of-three, with Houston having all the momentum now.
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Old 10-27-2019, 01:23 AM
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Astros take back home field advantage, which of course means nothing in this Series so far. Now a best-of-three, with Houston having all the momentum now.
So far the road team has won every game. The Astros two best starters lost and for the Nationals only their two best starters have won, facing the Astros best in the process. I don't think Cole and Verlander are automatic, but I don't think the Nationals want to go into Game 7 with Sanchez.

I believe the Astros record this season was inflated by a weak American League. Even in the postseason, they went the full five agaisnt the AL wild-card winner and could end up going the full seven against he NL wild-card winner. But the Nationals have been such as streaky team this year, it's hard to know how good they'll be for the rest of the series. They have a chance to win eight straight and lose four straight in the same postseason.
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Old 10-27-2019, 01:56 PM
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So far the road team has won every game. The Astros two best starters lost and for the Nationals only their two best starters have won, facing the Astros best in the process. I don't think Cole and Verlander are automatic, but I don't think the Nationals want to go into Game 7 with Sanchez.

I believe the Astros record this season was inflated by a weak American League. Even in the postseason, they went the full five agaisnt the AL wild-card winner and could end up going the full seven against he NL wild-card winner. But the Nationals have been such as streaky team this year, it's hard to know how good they'll be for the rest of the series. They have a chance to win eight straight and lose four straight in the same postseason.
Houston’s had 100 win seasons three years running. They’re good and people need to start realizing that. Labeling a team a wild card team and thus for some reason more beatable makes no sense. Tampa won 90+ games and had the second best pitching staff in the league. Washington since early May had the second best record in baseball and like Houston has two bona fide Cy Young candidates.

The fact that Houston came back after being down 0-2 holding a very good Nats lineup to two runs in 18 innings in their park (with neither Cole or Verlander pitching) is very impressive regardless how the rest of this goes.
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Old 10-27-2019, 03:37 PM
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Houston was the best team in baseball for a reason. Seattle was the only bad team in their division compared to the Central and East with multiple.

If we want to look at inflated win totals, look no further than the Twins and Indians beating up on the rest of the central, or the East with Tampa and New York killing the Orioles and Blue Jays.
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Old 10-27-2019, 04:09 PM
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Regardless of its lineup, Houston is the team it is because of its starting pitching, and it isn't the same team it was in 2017, literally. Peacock is the only starter from the 2017 World Series on this year's pitching staff, other than Verlander, who was acquired late in that season as Greinke was acquired late in this season. People seem to believe they won't re-sign Cole this offseason, and Verlander and Greinke are only signed through next season. Both will be on the other side of 35.

It's a very high maintenance team. Without superior starting pitching, they're just another AL contender, and the starting pitching is in a constant state of flux. The teams in baseball that aren't interested in contending for the sake of rebuilding are not just inflating the Astros record, but are making them a better team by making it easier for them to assemble an elite starting rotation. But it's one that might not be as effective, or even around, next year.

To the Astros credit, it's something the Cubs tried to do but failed to do after winning their World Series. But the Cubs' failures point out the high margin for error in the approach. The White Sox demanded more for Quintana than the Tigers demanded for Verlander, or for that matter, than the Diamondbacks demanded for Greinke.

The Astros have had a much more inconsistent season than the Nationals, and the Nationals certainly have more holes than the Astros. But in this series, the Astros and Nationals have been much more evenly matched than they should be based on their 2019 regular-season achievements.
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Old 10-27-2019, 04:33 PM
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Regardless of its lineup, Houston is the team it is because of its starting pitching, and it isn't the same team it was in 2017, literally. Peacock is the only starter from the 2017 World Series on this year's pitching staff, other than Verlander, who was acquired late in that season as Greinke was acquired late in this season. People seem to believe they won't re-sign Cole this offseason, and Verlander and Greinke are only signed through next season. Both will be on the other side of 35.

It's a very high maintenance team. Without superior starting pitching, they're just another AL contender, and the starting pitching is in a constant state of flux. The teams in baseball that aren't interested in contending for the sake of rebuilding are not just inflating the Astros record, but are making them a better team by making it easier for them to assemble an elite starting rotation. But it's one that might not be as effective, or even around, next year.

To the Astros credit, it's something the Cubs tried to do but failed to do after winning their World Series. But the Cubs' failures point out the high margin for error in the approach. The White Sox demanded more for Quintana than the Tigers demanded for Verlander, or for that matter, than the Diamondbacks demanded for Greinke.

The Astros have had a much more inconsistent season than the Nationals, and the Nationals certainly have more holes than the Astros. But in this series, the Astros and Nationals have been much more evenly matched than they should be based on their 2019 regular-season achievements.
The Astros have not had a more inconsistent season compared to the Nationals. I'm assuming that is a typo.

Yes, the Astros have stellar starting pitching and they rely on that, which usually leads you to deep postseason runs, but their entire offense was tops in baseball. Lead the league in walks and lowest is strike outs. Also lead all of baseball in BA, OBP , and SLG. This isn't a team getting there by beating up on crap competition. If that was the case, NY and Boston would be leading in offense.

Their starting rotation will likely lose Cole but that was a big reason why they traded for Greinke.

The best team in baseball is in the World Series for a reason. I say it shows more of the parity among the top American League teams that the Astros had to go to 5 games against the Rays, than the Astros being overrated.
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Old 10-27-2019, 04:35 PM
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And no, they aren't just another American League contender without their starting pitching. Without their dominant rotation, they still are one of the Elite teams in the game.
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Old 10-27-2019, 04:37 PM
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Scherzer is reportedly not starting tonight, back and neck spasms.
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Old 10-27-2019, 04:39 PM
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Scherzer is reportedly not starting tonight, back and neck spasms.
Just got the alert. Ooh. That's bad for the Nationals.
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Old 10-27-2019, 06:19 PM
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The Astros have not had a more inconsistent season compared to the Nationals. I'm assuming that is a typo. ...
Indeed, it was a typo.

And it's true they have the top offense in baseball. But they aren't in the World Series without their starting pitching, and starting pitching, just as the White Sox won't get anywhere without a superior starting rotation. It won't be long before Verlander and Greinke need to be replaced along with Cole. Give the Astros the White Sox starting rotation at season's end and you have an Astros team competing for the wild card.

The more teams you have serious about contending, the more expensive those superior additions to the starting rotations become. If the Tigers and Pirates had been serious about contending over the last three seasons, the Astros wouldn't be in the World Series. If the Diamondbacks were serious about contending this year (and as it was, they finished ahead of the Cubs), the Astros wouldn't have Greinke.


The way the Astros are winning is made possible by a weak league where teams aren't interested in contending. It isn't a template for building a winner.
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