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Old 10-21-2019, 01:55 PM
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Old 10-21-2019, 04:47 PM
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Sabathia was a fairly ordinary player. His farewell doesn't deserve publicity.
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Old 10-21-2019, 10:22 PM
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Sabathia was a fairly ordinary player. His farewell doesn't deserve publicity.
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Old 10-21-2019, 10:54 PM
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Sabathia was a fairly ordinary player. His farewell doesn't deserve publicity.
You lose the teal button?
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Old 10-22-2019, 12:31 AM
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You lose the teal button?
No, that's my honest-to-god impression of him as a player. I did just look up his numbers, and I see he's a borderline HoFer because of longevity, but he was never an opposing pitcher I worried about. ERA and WHIP are a little high and strikeouts are a little low to take his HoF candidacy seriously.

EDIT: Baseball Reference says the most similar pitcher to CC was Andy Pettitte. Did I notice when Pettitte retired? No.

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Old 10-22-2019, 12:49 AM
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No, that's my honest-to-god impression of him as a player. I did just look up his numbers, and I see he's a borderline HoFer because of longevity, but he was never an opposing pitcher I worried about. ERA and WHIP are a little high and strikeouts are a little low to take his HoF candidacy seriously.

EDIT: Baseball Reference says the most similar pitcher to CC was Andy Pettitte. Did I notice when Pettitte retired? No.
3k+ strikeouts is low?
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Old 10-22-2019, 02:45 AM
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Greg Maddux had a career winning percentage of .610. CC Sabathiaís is .609
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PS: Greg Maddux is like one of my all time favorite Pitchers.
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Old 10-22-2019, 09:29 AM
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EDIT: Baseball Reference says the most similar pitcher to CC was Andy Pettitte. Did I notice when Pettitte retired? No.
Wait, you're now doubling down on the position that Andy Pettitte was an "ordinary pitcher"?
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Old 10-22-2019, 09:45 AM
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No, that's my honest-to-god impression of him as a player. I did just look up his numbers, and I see he's a borderline HoFer because of longevity, but he was never an opposing pitcher I worried about. ERA and WHIP are a little high and strikeouts are a little low to take his HoF candidacy seriously.

EDIT: Baseball Reference says the most similar pitcher to CC was Andy Pettitte. Did I notice when Pettitte retired? No.
If you think CC Sabathia was fairly ordinary, I assume you think Mark Buehrle was straight up bad.
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Old 10-22-2019, 09:59 AM
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No, that's my honest-to-god impression of him as a player. I did just look up his numbers, and I see he's a borderline HoFer because of longevity, but he was never an opposing pitcher I worried about. ERA and WHIP are a little high and strikeouts are a little low to take his HoF candidacy seriously.

EDIT: Baseball Reference says the most similar pitcher to CC was Andy Pettitte. Did I notice when Pettitte retired? No.
Seems like thatís more a statement about how much you pay attention than on how significant a player is.
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Old 10-22-2019, 10:39 AM
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Seems like someone's girlfriend left him for Captain Cheeseburger.
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Old 10-22-2019, 11:08 AM
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He is one of three lefties in MLB history with 3000 strikeouts. How are his strikeout numbers low?
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Old 10-22-2019, 01:30 PM
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Seems like thatís more a statement about how much you pay attention than on how significant a player is.
Maybe that's partly true. His best years came after 2005, which is probably why I don't remember him beating the Sox in any games that mattered. I don't remember him beating the Red Sox often in those epic NY/Boston matchups, either.

Regarding strikeouts, he has a lot of them, but that's because of longevity. 7.8 strikeouts per nine innings is not impressive for a reputed power pitcher. Comparing him to Buehrle or Maddux is silly because of different styles.

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Old 10-22-2019, 02:22 PM
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Seems like someone's girlfriend left him for Captain Cheeseburger.
Captain Cheeseburger is perhaps my favorite sports initials pun ever, so heíll go on in my memory forever because of that. He was, at times, very frustrating to play against as an Indian.
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Old 10-22-2019, 03:30 PM
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Captain Cheeseburger is perhaps my favorite sports initials pun ever, so heíll go on in my memory forever because of that. He was, at times, very frustrating to play against as an Indian.
We also called him Captain Cheesecake here. The point was the same: he would never be mistaken for Chris Sale or Randy Johnson at the clothing store.
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