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Old 01-21-2015, 03:50 PM
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He's only gotten Cy Young votes once (ONCE!) and it's not like he's gonna get better in the next five years.

And that once was 5 votes in the wire to wire 2005 season. Probably all home town votes.
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Old 01-21-2015, 04:15 PM
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But Buehrle really doesn't have the counting stats. He's not going to get 300 wins or 3000 strikeouts. These new HOF voters you speak of are going to notice all these 130 era plus seasons he's had, and hopefully a career war over 70.0.
2001, 2005, and 2007?
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Old 01-21-2015, 04:30 PM
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I am still willing to stake my bank account on this never happening. Come on, people.
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Old 01-21-2015, 04:53 PM
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I am still willing to stake my bank account on this never happening. Come on, people.
I would want a piece but

Gambling on a sure thing is stealing in my eyes and I am not a thief.
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Old 01-21-2015, 04:54 PM
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I am still willing to stake my bank account on this never happening. Come on, people.
It shouldn't but with more and more religious adherence to holy WAR I'd say it's definitely possible in the future. Especially if he has 2-3 more serviceable seasons left in him.
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Old 01-21-2015, 05:05 PM
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It shouldn't but with more and more religious adherence to holy WAR I'd say it's definitely possible in the future. Especially if he has 2-3 more serviceable seasons left in him.
WAR is great but its still a counting stat. WAR/season or WAR/start is better way to look at a guy and the longer MB plays the lower its gonna go.
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Old 01-21-2015, 05:11 PM
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It shouldn't but with more and more religious adherence to holy WAR I'd say it's definitely possible in the future. Especially if he has 2-3 more serviceable seasons left in him.
According to B-R, Buehrle ranks 64 all-time for pitchers with 58.3 WAR. There are currently 59 pitchers enshrined in the Hall of Fame (and yes, that number includes the most recently elected members Randy Johnson and Pedro Martinez) so by that count he is on the fringe. However, by JAWS, one of their HOF credential metrics which takes into account both a player's longevity as well as their peak years, Buehrle ranks 90th all time for SP, which is well outside a traditional Hall of Fame pitcher.
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Old 01-21-2015, 05:19 PM
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WAR is great but its still a counting stat. WAR/season or WAR/start is better way to look at a guy and the longer MB plays the lower its gonna go.
Can't you say that about most any player? Greg Maddux never had a WAR above 3 for the last 5 years of his career, and 6 out of his last 7.

Based on WAR/season or WAR/start, the best road to the HoF would be to peak and then retire.

total WAR / # starts from baseball-reference.com:

Tom Glavine 74/682 = 0.1085
Greg Maddux 104.6/740 = 0.1414
Mark Buehrle 58.3/461 = 0.1265
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Old 01-21-2015, 05:43 PM
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2001, 2005, and 2007?
I meant to say 120. I did think he had more than three seasons of 130 era plus though.
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Old 02-08-2016, 11:42 AM
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So, I know I have been one of the biggest eye rollers at the suggestion that Mark Buehrle is HOF-worthy, so I wanted to share this interesting piece from Fangraphs that made me think I could be wrong...
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Old 02-08-2016, 01:10 PM
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So, I know I have been one of the biggest eye rollers at the suggestion that Mark Buehrle is HOF-worthy, so I wanted to share this interesting piece from Fangraphs that made me think I could be wrong...
You're not wrong. It's a great piece and it really highlighted what was special about Buehrle, but the HoF voters aren't going to suddenly start valuing pickoffs over wins, strikeouts, MVP/Cy Young votes, etc.
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Old 02-08-2016, 02:08 PM
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Are balks factored into pick off rates? If not shouldnt they be?

This is just a general question, I have no idea the number of balks these pitchers had.
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Old 02-08-2016, 05:51 PM
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I think he still needs at least two more 3.0 war type seasons.
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