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True, but I wish the story would get out. A quick google search brings up the team's stance back in 2003, but I doubt that many writers will bother doing research.
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Every writer on MLB Network was saying that Frank would get in on the first ballot. The only guy who said he wouldn't was Mitch Williams, as covered earlier in the thread. Writers tend to have a long memory and I think they will remember Frank's early stance against steroids.
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Baseball writers are supposed to know better, but many of them don't even cover the games anymore. There was a columnist in Costra County, California (A's country, and, of course, the Oakland was ground zero for steroid use for a very long time) who wrote a column alleging that Frank Thomas was a 'roider. I think the whole diminished-sills thing was where he made his numbers-based argument. That was before Thomas signed with the A's. I used to believe that Frank Thomas wouldn't get into the Hall of Fame n his first year of eligibility. Outside of Chicago and even among many White Sox fans, he was considered something of a whiner. He wasn't respected enough to win the MVP in 2000, which he deserved even before Jason Giambi's secret came out. And Thomas was considered a whiney DH to boot. But I think Thomas is more respected now than when he finished his career, a bit later than he should have. At the end with Oakland, he didn't have much left. Fans do care about performance-enhancing drugs in baseball. They didn't when it was most prevalent, but that is because they really weren't aware of it. I think Thomas will stand out as the anti-'roider when he appears on the ballot. I think he will be appreciated for that and his accomplishments, what he meant for the game. |
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I think he's referring to his return to Oakland in '08.
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Indeed I was. Thomas' second stint with the A's at the end of his career was the end that I was referring to.
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If Frank doesn't make the HOF on the first ballot they should shut the ****er down.
I actually think he will be helped by the fact he was a clean player in a dirty era.
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I will burn with the fury of a thousand suns if Frank does not get inducted next year. Any writer who does not vote for him (or Maddux, for that matter) ought to have his/her eyeballs gouged with flaming pokers.
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Roberto Alomar didn't get in his first year, and he is considered one of the best second basemen to ever play the game. Not saying it would be right, but I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't get in on the first ballot. HOF voting is a joke.
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Also, the HOF is already a joke. Phil Rizzuto is a HOFer.
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The spitting incident with the umpire probably hurt Alomar's chances of a first year election but you are right, the voting is a joke.
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There's a year for Frank and his agent to wage a PR campaign. Most people don't know his history with testing.
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That's a travesty. A serious argument can be made that Alomar was the best 2B to ever play the game.
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