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Old 06-03-2019, 12:03 AM
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3 earned runs or less in 5 of his last 6 starts.

Is he an all-star? Of course not, but those results certainly don't match the ongoing, over-the-top outrage at the trade to acquire him.

Cherry picking his best starts also doesn't invalidate the point. There's a lot of better guys than Nova who were available making less money. Even if you don't mind him in the rotation, it's fairly obvious he's a misuse of resources based on comparisons.
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Old 06-03-2019, 06:59 AM
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Cherry picking his best starts also doesn't invalidate the point. There's a lot of better guys than Nova who were available making less money. Even if you don't mind him in the rotation, it's fairly obvious he's a misuse of resources based on comparisons.
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Old 06-03-2019, 08:02 AM
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Cherry picking his best starts also doesn't invalidate the point. There's a lot of better guys than Nova who were available making less money. Even if you don't mind him in the rotation, it's fairly obvious he's a misuse of resources based on comparisons.

Looking at 5 out of his last 6 starts is not "cherry picking".
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Old 06-03-2019, 12:48 PM
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He's averaged 4 Ks per 9 in his 5 good games. He's a fifth starter if he pitches well (but he doesn't always pitch well, so thus the 6.52 ERA and 1.64 WHIP). You don't need to pay $9 million for that, but at least he usually pitches like a fifth starter. Which is more than one can say for Jay, Alonso and Santana. Had that money been used seriously, instead of on a dog and pony show, then, who knows?
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Old 06-10-2019, 10:37 AM
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I think Vaughn should get some professional at bats before we start penciling him in as our starting first baseman. I still have a lot of questions about Collins too.

I think there is a lot of good news out of the first half so far: Moncada and Anderson look legit, even though Moncada had a rough May, he's been hitting .381/.435/.643 over the past two weeks. Even Eloy, who has struggled a LOT, has been coming around the past two weeks. Giolito is now the best pitcher in baseball. There's some good news with Robert, Madrigal and Cease down on the farm too.

The bad news is the pitching. Rodon is gone, Lopez looks lost and who knows what will happen with Kopech and Dunning.

The next few weeks will be a real test for the team though, they've shown they can beat up on bad teams (which is good! Good teams are supposed to do that!) and they did actually hold their own against Houston in May. But, we'll see how good these guys really are in a bit here.

In the long term, I still have a lot of questions about Renteria as a manager and the front office's ability to put together a consistently winning team.
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Old 06-11-2019, 08:03 AM
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"Clown show" is a metaphor for contrivance. The Samardzija and Alonso trades were contrivances.
The suggestion, therefore, is to stop the contrivances. If you can't offer market value, offer what you can. If you don't sign the player, put the money into the international market, player development, analytics, etc., younger players released in their arb years that you can get cheaper than their arb value (McCann, Avi from the Rays perspective).
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Old 06-21-2019, 11:02 AM
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By the way, Frankie Montas has been awesome.
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Old 06-21-2019, 01:02 PM
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By the way, Frankie Montas has been awesome.
All lamenting aside, Rick Hahn really cleaned up in that Jake Peavy trade. He can really bring home the bacon when he sells at the trade deadline. If the team goes 3-6 or worse against Texas, Boston, and Minnesota, Hahn should be working the phones.
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Old 06-21-2019, 01:04 PM
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By the way, Frankie Montas has been awesome.
Avi's been having a pretty good year in Tampa too.
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Old 06-21-2019, 04:28 PM
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By the way, Frankie Montas has been awesome.
Frankie also won't be playing for 80 games!
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Frankie also won't be playing for 80 games!
Well so much for that and maybe that's why he suddenly became a star...
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Old 06-21-2019, 07:53 PM
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Well so much for that and maybe that's why he suddenly became a star...
Ha! Great timing on my part.
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Old 06-21-2019, 09:06 PM
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Ha! Great timing on my part.
It's the kittle curse...
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Old 06-22-2019, 06:47 AM
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All lamenting aside, Rick Hahn really cleaned up in that Jake Peavy trade. He can really bring home the bacon when he sells at the trade deadline. If the team goes 3-6 or worse against Texas, Boston, and Minnesota, Hahn should be working the phones.
yes, when he has a good trade piece at the deadline and puts in the effort to extract maximum value, he's done well.
It's Rick Hahn's trades for starting pitchers that bring disaster. The Shields trade was probably the worst in MLB in a decade, if not longer. And the Samardzija trade was also horrendous. IN both trades, the outgoing talent was completely mis-evaluated; the incoming talent was mis-evaluated. And even with proper talent evaluation, neither trade made any sense for the Sox anyway.
And he's not very good at drafting starting pitching either.
But what he is at least decent at is finding starting pitching from other teams' farms. Fortunately, the Sox tradeable strength is the weakness of many contenders: bullpen. This is an opportunity. Seize it.

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Old 07-13-2019, 08:30 AM
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Mike Fiers, 2/14.1 v Nova 1/9.167 (woefully overpaid even if he had a good year)

Semien triples in Phegley,
Part 3 of the Samardzija disaster comes Saturday with Chris Bassit.
NO problem, as Rick Hahn procured Burdi and his 1.88 Birmingham WHIP.

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