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Old 06-29-2019, 02:37 PM
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That would make last year, this year, and next year Palka’s prime (26.5, 27.5, 28.5). That proves his point.
Or, it could be this year, next year, and 2021. Or he could (gasp!) be non-typical, and really start his 3-year prime a year or so late. Tom Brady was not the GOAT in college. Not everyone’s progress is linear nor their potential obvious.
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Old 06-29-2019, 02:59 PM
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Or, it could be this year, next year, and 2021. Or he could (gasp!) be non-typical, and really start his 3-year prime a year or so late. Tom Brady was not the GOAT in college. Not everyone’s progress is linear nor their potential obvious.
Or he could be an absolute dogcrap baseball player with both the bat and the glove, which is the way I’m heavily leaning at this time.
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Old 06-29-2019, 10:29 PM
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Not sure why a Madrigal thread (praying he isn't Mike Caruso) has turned into a Palka discussion, but Palka will most likely be working 9- 5 like the rest of us next year.
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Old 06-30-2019, 10:45 AM
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Or, it could be this year, next year, and 2021. Or he could (gasp!) be non-typical, and really start his 3-year prime a year or so late. Tom Brady was not the GOAT in college. Not everyone’s progress is linear nor their potential obvious.

If horrible, low skill players use the "I could be Tom Brady" excuse, no one would every be released.

Palka probably doesn't stick to a major league roster after this year. And if he does, it's in the NL providing a bat off the bench. And even then, probably not for long.
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Old 06-30-2019, 12:54 PM
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Not sure why a Madrigal thread (praying he isn't Mike Caruso) has turned into a Palka discussion, but Palka will most likely be working 9- 5 like the rest of us next year.

College first rounder with a great body of work vs a High School second rounder White Flag throw-in? Yeah, I think Nick Madrigal is not going to be Mike Caruso.
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Old 06-30-2019, 01:02 PM
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Exactly. I'm not advocating for Palka to be given a starting role going forward, but why not see whether his greatly improved walk rate and reduced K rate will carry over to higher level. I've said it repeatedly, but I think his issues early this year were because he was overthinking and getting caught in between on whether to swing or take pitches. He clearly was working on his walk rate this spring and when the season went live he couldn't pull the trigger. That carried over when he first was sent down but then he started to find his stroke again and the walk rate has stayed high.

Might as well see what he offers, at worst he's a LH DH platoon (70% of AB) who can cover 1B and RF in a pinch or when someone needs a day off. Now if only there were an opening for a guy like that on the current team because a very similar player who completely lost it offensively had just been cut...
Do you mean at best here? Because at worst hes hitting under .100 and taking at bats from Zack Collins.
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Old 06-30-2019, 03:29 PM
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College first rounder with a great body of work vs a High School second rounder White Flag throw-in? Yeah, I think Nick Madrigal is not going to be Mike Caruso.
I thought Caruso was the center piece of the trade and a well regarded prospect?
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I thought Caruso was the center piece of the trade and a well regarded prospect?

I'm always skeptical of high school numbers.



Madrigal has three seasons against NCAA D-1 pitching — much tougher to put up numbers against vs HS pitching. The fact that he's showing OPS against AA pitching similar to his OPS against NCAA pitching gives me good hope that he'll not be a Mike Caruso clone.


Also, Caruso was rushed to MLB at age 21. Madrigal's going to be at least 23 by the time he gets to MLB, and that's if he gets there next year.
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College first rounder with a great body of work vs a High School second rounder White Flag throw-in? Yeah, I think Nick Madrigal is not going to be Mike Caruso.

But will Nick Madrigal hit a game-winning HR off the Cubs for us?
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Old 07-05-2019, 03:35 PM
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I thought Caruso was the center piece of the trade and a well regarded prospect?

Lorenzo Barcelo was the centerpiece of the trade. Really, great things were expected of him. Bob Howry had a big fastball and was expected to close to coming up as a reliever. Keith Foulke was a starter who didn't throw hard, not the potential of the other pitcher prospects. He had good stuff, but in eight games as a starter for the Giants and three in relief, he had an ERA over 8. Shortly before the trade he gave up six earned runs in 2 innings to the Cardinals. The other prospect was Brian Manning, a center fielder who never hit well enough to get past Birmingham.

Ranking the booty from that plunder of the Giants system depends on who you talk to, but Caruso was behind Barcelo, and probably Howry. Caruso was ahead of Foulke. If there was a throw-in, it would be Manning, but with the Giants and even with the White Sox before he hit the Southern League, it looked like he would hit.
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Old 07-07-2019, 09:26 PM
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I wonder why Madrigal didn't get promoted along with Robert. Hitting near .400 with 2 Ks in 108 PAs in AA and a near 10% walk rate. What else does he have to learn down there, really? If the future lineup is Madrigal-Moncada-Abreu/Vaughn-Eloy-Robert his lack of power is meaningless. The speed and ability to get on base at a .350+ clip in front of 5 guys that can combine for 140+ HRs a year is all that matters. With 2020 looking like the first year of playoff contention, might as well keep promoting aggressively. Quite frankly he's more ML ready right now than Robert, all things considered. Let him see some better breaking balls in AAA to finish out the season.
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Old 07-08-2019, 07:35 AM
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I wonder why Madrigal didn't get promoted along with Robert. Hitting near .400 with 2 Ks in 108 PAs in AA and a near 10% walk rate. What else does he have to learn down there, really? If the future lineup is Madrigal-Moncada-Abreu/Vaughn-Eloy-Robert his lack of power is meaningless. The speed and ability to get on base at a .350+ clip in front of 5 guys that can combine for 140+ HRs a year is all that matters. With 2020 looking like the first year of playoff contention, might as well keep promoting aggressively. Quite frankly he's more ML ready right now than Robert, all things considered. Let him see some better breaking balls in AAA to finish out the season.
The Sox seem to have a bit more of a logjam in the Charlotte infield. They may also want to see Anderson return to the field before they move any other infielders at Charlotte or even in Chicago. For instance, they may want to release Rondon, but not until Anderson is back. So maybe the sequence of moves would be: activate Anderson, cut Rondon (to create a spot on the 40-man roster), promote Mendick (who would have to be added to the 40-man roster), promote Madrigal.
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Old 07-08-2019, 06:53 PM
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I wonder why Madrigal didn't get promoted along with Robert. Hitting near .400 with 2 Ks in 108 PAs in AA and a near 10% walk rate. What else does he have to learn down there, really? If the future lineup is Madrigal-Moncada-Abreu/Vaughn-Eloy-Robert his lack of power is meaningless. The speed and ability to get on base at a .350+ clip in front of 5 guys that can combine for 140+ HRs a year is all that matters. With 2020 looking like the first year of playoff contention, might as well keep promoting aggressively. Quite frankly he's more ML ready right now than Robert, all things considered. Let him see some better breaking balls in AAA to finish out the season.

His slugging a combined .382 between levels this year. The Sox are probably hoping he develops into something more than a slap singles hitter. He can stay down and work on hitting into the gaps and down the lines more.
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Old 07-08-2019, 07:08 PM
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His slugging a combined .382 between levels this year. The Sox are probably hoping he develops into something more than a slap singles hitter. He can stay down and work on hitting into the gaps and down the lines more.
Right. And that type of refinement is easier to accomplish against AA pitchers who are overmatched against him. Just because a guy is clearly better than his age-appropriate competition doesn’t necessarily mean his time is being wasted.
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Old 07-08-2019, 09:04 PM
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I thought Caruso was the center piece of the trade and a well regarded prospect?
He was the center piece- pretty highly regarded- but not universally regarded as a top prospect.
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